2009-2016: No first round QBs remain with original team

Drafting a QB in round one between 2009-16 was apparently not a long term success...for any team. Finding good QBs, even early in a draft is not as easy as too many think.

Bobhaze said:

Drafting a QB in round one between 2009-16 was apparently not a long term success...for any team. Finding good QBs, even early in a draft is not as easy as too many think.

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I think too many teams abandon their draft board due to perceived "value" of the pick. Instead of selecting the player they may have at the top of their board, they weigh the value of the position, etc., etc. So you see guys taken at positions when a better player is there but their "value" is not as high. The issue is, who creates these systems where the value is calculated? My opinion is drafting is not a science, but some people see it as that and create all of these metrics that players have to check-off to be drafted at certain spots. It seems like a crapshoot due to position, organization, coaching and the maturity of the player. Sometimes you get lucky with a guy like Dak and other times you get someone like Taco that goes high and is a complete dud.

Bobhaze said:

Drafting a QB in round one between 2009-16 was apparently not a long term success...for any team. Finding good QBs, even early in a draft is not as easy as too many think.

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Too many reaches and too little time to develop.

Tua should have sat the bench a good year.
Josh Freeman should have never been taken in the first.
Ditto Mark Sanchez.
Bradford was injury prone. Should have hit the weight room for a season.
Tim Tebow (as much I liked him) should never have been drafted in the first round.
Cam Newton ran too much, and his body has simply given out.
Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder had no business being picked before the third round.
Luck's body simply gave out on him.
RGIII should have played baseball as a youth. And he got to full of himself. Also, didn't have the built for the NFL.
Brandon Weedon in the first?
I have audio recording of the Bills GM being stoned when he picked EJ Manual in the first.
Glad Stephen took Jerry's cell phone to avoid the Manziel circus and disaster.
Jameis Winston didn't have the head for the game. Too silly.

Moral of the story: teams need to develop quarterback better (mentally and physically), consider character more strongly and teach them to slide if they're going to run.

Waiting for the Dak haters to chime in.....

tyke1doe said:

Too many reaches and too little time to develop.

Tua should have sat the bench a good year.
Josh Freeman should have never been taken in the first.
Ditto Mark Sanchez.
Bradford was injury prone. Should have hit the weight room for a season.
Tim Tebow (as much I liked him) should never have been drafted in the first round.
Cam Newton ran too much, and his body has simply given out.
Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder had no business being picked before the third round.
Luck's body simply gave out on him.
RGIII should have played baseball as a youth. And he got to full of himself. Also, didn't have the built for the NFL.
Brandon Weedon in the first?
I have audio recording of the Bills GM being stoned when he picked EJ Manual in the first.
Glad Stephen took Jerry's cell phone to avoid the Manziel circus and disaster.
Jameis Winston didn't have the head for the game. Too silly.

Moral of the story: teams need to develop quarterback better (mentally and physically), consider character more strongly and teach them to slide if they're going to run.

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in Tuas case it was handled well he got baptized under fire yet, fitz took more snaps and i think he will be better for it..he got taste of near playoff berth had not PB layed down and allowed CLE in..i dont think this effected TUA as much as fans believe.. , he will eb fine..the issue are the media and fans expectations that he should have looked more like Burrows and Herbert..they didnt sit and they seemed pretty fine..did Murray sit i dont remember..

the age of sitting and learned is over unless you get lucky like rogers did and now love behind him, that was merely circumstance. did Dak sit nope thrown in and i mean total shocker to all being 3-4 depth chart,,etc..turned out decently ..

each player is different can handle more or less..

its case by case

Bobhaze said:

Drafting a QB in round one between 2009-16 was apparently not a long term success...for any team. Finding good QBs, even early in a draft is not as easy as too many think.

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Some come at a high cost
Just ask the Rams, Eagles and skins

tyke1doe said:

Too many reaches and too little time to develop.

Tua should have sat the bench a good year.
Josh Freeman should have never been taken in the first.
Ditto Mark Sanchez.
Bradford was injury prone. Should have hit the weight room for a season.
Tim Tebow (as much I liked him) should never have been drafted in the first round.
Cam Newton ran too much, and his body has simply given out.
Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder had no business being picked before the third round.
Luck's body simply gave out on him.
RGIII should have played baseball as a youth. And he got to full of himself. Also, didn't have the built for the NFL.
Brandon Weedon in the first?
I have audio recording of the Bills GM being stoned when he picked EJ Manual in the first.
Glad Stephen took Jerry's cell phone to avoid the Manziel circus and disaster.
Jameis Winston didn't have the head for the game. Too silly.

Moral of the story: teams need to develop quarterback better (mentally and physically), consider character more strongly and teach them to slide if they're going to run.

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There is pressure to play these guys too early due to the cost of QBS

This league requires more than talent to succeed. If you can't develop talent you aren't likely to win much. Gotta always be drafting/developing QB's.

stop overhyping bad players and start drafting good players. I see dwayne haskins, jamarcus russells, vince youngs, manziels, trubiskys, etc and with little knowledge of them I knew that they were each vastly overrated and/or were just lazy individuals, some with very little playing experience. But they get drafted in the 1st round and this 1st round success stat sinks below the ground.

Start hiring good GMs (so they stop firing the coach one year and drafting a qb the next, then repeat every 2-3 years) and find yourself an actual scout team that does their job rather than parrot whatever the analysts are saying. If I had to guess the scout teams are undermanned and don't look into everything they need to when considering if a player has potential or is the right guy.

blueblood70 said:

in Tuas case it was handled well he got baptized under fire yet, fitz took more snaps and i think he will be better for it..he got taste of near playoff berth had not PB layed down and allowed CLE in..i dont think this effected TUA as much as fans believe.. , he will eb fine..the issue are the media and fans expectations that he should have looked more like Burrows and Herbert..they didnt sit and they seemed pretty fine..did Murray sit i dont remember..

the age of sitting and learned is over unless you get lucky like rogers did and now love behind him, that was merely circumstance. did Dak sit nope thrown in and i mean total shocker to all being 3-4 depth chart,,etc..turned out decently ..

each player is different can handle more or less..

its case by case

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I agree that the age of sitting is over. That doesn't mean it's the best route for most quarterbacks. Most of the quarterbacks I cited needed to sit for at least a year.

Obviously, if you're grabbing a quarterback in the top 5, you expect him to play immediately. But that doesn't mean he should.

As for Tua, I'm a big Tua fan. But I think after his first few games (after which he said it wasn't that hard to play in the NFL), he looked like a game manager. Check down Charlie. I guess that's good, but I don't think he was really ready to take control of this team. And then my concern for the hip remains.

Yes, you have to evaluate situations on a case-by-case basis. But trends don't operate that way. You have to look at what transpires over a given time frame and look for patterns and assess those patterns. And it's my opinion that too many of these quarterbacks were overdrafted and just weren't prepared or given time to prepare.

Teams need to redouble their efforts and focus more on character.

Manziel, Winston, Jamarcus Russell, Leaf, Jeff George and even Ezekiel Elliott all had character issues, which led to them either flaming out or underperforming in the league compared to their talent. I don't think Zeke will ever be the running back he was in his rookie year. I so wanted him on this team, but now, I consider him a supreme underachiever, partly because he just doesn't seem like he has a passion for the game.

I question whether Wentz has a passion for the game. Winston is one big, silly kid, and I think he'll be plagued with leadership problems.

Character matters - even in football. Get the talented, hard worker not the supremely talented loafer or jokester.

Teams often focus too much on general athletic ability rather than whether or not the player can actually play QB.

Bobhaze said:

Drafting a QB in round one between 2009-16 was apparently not a long term success...for any team. Finding good QBs, even early in a draft is not as easy as too many think.

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All of those QBs were signed to franchise- killing deals and their teams were set back years due to the draft capital and salary cap implications that came with those QBs. Dallas fans are just going crazy to duplicate the massive mistakes that other teams have made just to say that Dak is a franchise QB with a $40 million-a-year salary cap killing contract. I have never seen fans so excited to repeat the same failures that other teams have made. Has any of the QB mega-deals really worked out for anybody other than the overpayed QBs ?