Upgrades over Jarwin/Schultz?

Who would you like to see starting at TE when the season opens in September?

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Big_D said:
Because adding to the offense is a temporary solution while the glaring problem isn't going away. So paying a TE makes sense in that same scenario with the money Cooper got and the amount of balls going to Cooper, Lamb, Gallup, Elliott? Lot of mouths to feed. How many legit receptions for that money? How much do they need to spend on the offensive side while they completely ignore the D yet again? Jerry's a buffoon and the D continues to suffer. It has to be fixed or else it simply doesn't matter how many O players they take in the 1st. Hasn't mattered yet.
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It is unfortunate the way the draft is panning out, and how high the cowboys are picking. Ideally, the cowboys have a top 3 offense and are able to get the defense to around 15th in the league in the next 2-3 years.

If every ball goes to an open receiver, it doesn't matter who gets it. It is not ideal, but another playmaker has value

The Oline is beat up and getting older. Improving it, and the qb having 1 or 2 seconds longer for the receivers to get further open or down the field is huge.

The defense will be better next year no matter what. They had injuries, new staff and system, and Wilson, Hill, Diggs, and Galimore will all improve

#10 pick has to be a top 10 player
 
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TheSkaven said:
I know that some here really like Jarwin and Schultz, but the reality is that Jarwin is coming off a serious knee injury and Schultz, while serviceable, will never be an All-Pro.

I believe that Dallas needs to upgrade the TE position this offseason and frankly there hasn’t been a better crop, not just in the draft but in free agency, for as long as I can remember.

Any of these players would be an upgrade. Which one do you like? I’m listing them in my order of preference.

Zack Ertz: (likely to be released or trade)
We know that good tight ends routinely play into their late 30’s and you don’t go from breaking Witten’s single season catch record to a stiff overnight. Suffered from poor QB play but I think he’d shine in Dallas.

Kyle Pitts: (draft)
I know people either love or hate this player but he’s 6’6, blocks like a tight end but runs like a receiver. He has great hands and speed too. Someone needs to help me with the hate; this guy could be the league’s next great tight end. Is it just the idea of picking one so high?

Jonnu Smith: (free agent)
Let’s see if he makes it to free agency but Jonnu Smith had a great year last year even though his stats don’t reflect it. He’s more like a wide receiver and has speed but he can block too. I think if you put Jonnu in Dallas he is a monster tight end and catches 10 touchdowns.

Hunter Henry: (free agent)
Make a lot of cash last season on the franchise tag but then didn’t produce that well. But he has the physical talent and I think suffered under lack of innovation.

Here are some other notables: Trey Burton (Mr. Philly Special), Tyler Eifert, Jake Butt, Pat Freiermuth (has never dropped a pass in the red zone)

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/tight-end/
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Gee, blokes, it never occurred to me that we needed to upgrade at TE. It just didn't.
 
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kskboys said:
How in hades do people not see how good Schultz was last season? Dude looked like a very good starter.
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I mean for this team that’s all we need from the position....now jarwin is more of a deep threat but Schultz has shown he’s more than formidable. Between ceedee amari Gallup we don’t need a stud TE and I’d we ever figure out how to incorporate pollard into the passing game more we are fine.
 
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Schultz just put up 600 yards with 3 good WRs getting targets and no Dak for most of the season (he was on pace to do even more before Dak's injury) I think the position is fine, regardless if it's him or Jarwin.

Plus they gave Jarwin that contract extension last year so between that and Schultz finishing out his rookie deal, they will not be spending any resources there.
 

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buybuydandavis said:
A big, tall, slow WR. A couple of models up from Gavin Escobar.

There are always these tweener TE/WR that are supposed to be "matchup nightmares". Carolina had one maybe tens years ago, and he had speed too. Never amounted to much.

A possession WR who's going to require precise ball placement. That's not Dak's strong suit.

I expect that the right QB could make a lot out of him, but the 50-50 guys aren't the ideal anymore when speed and rule changes are giving QBs 70% completion rates.
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Especially when we do not need a TE.
 

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I think Pitts at 10 is a real possibility, especially if an elite D player is not available.
 
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Hell, I could make a case to draft a QB at 10, if a TE is in the discussion. Why the OP not talking about drafting Trey Lance, oh somehow that's not a need, ok.
 

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kskboys said:
Especially when we do not need a TE.
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They have a guy they supposedly really like on a reasonable contract for the next 3 years.

The draft really isn't lining up our way for the 10th pick. Lining up my way. Nothing great around 10 for the positions I'd want there. DT, FS. I'm not thrilled with Slater at 10.

I'm on TeamTradeBack this year.
 

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dsturgeon said:
I only see value wasted at picking a tackle, if you look at the draft as having value at a position that we need as a top 10 pick.

Which the more I think about it, I don't know if there is another position.

You could get a good corner at 10, but then you could also get a couple of corners later on and be good at corner depth.
The same could be said at lb'er and WR

Outside of that, what position has players that will fall to us that will be worth the 10 pick?

A top tackle who is solid and could start for injury riddled smith or collins, or could play gaurd has a lot of value to me at 10
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I agree on LT as a position worth a 10. QB. Stud DT or real stud FS. Slater is the likely pick if they go there, but I think he's poor value at 10.

And we already have *two* starting quality guards. And we're playing a rookie OT at G, so not getting his full value, in either play or development. The marginal benefit of a college OT playing G over Williams is minimal.

Could start? You want to cross train a rookie at 2 positions? Or are you just talking the following season after Collins or Tyron poop out?

I'm not seeing a good fit for us at 10. TeamTradeBack.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
I agree on LT as a position worth a 10. QB. Stud DT or real stud FS. Slater is the likely pick if they go there, but I think he's poor value at 10.

And we already have *two* starting quality guards. And we're playing a rookie OT at G, so not getting his full value, in either play or development. The marginal benefit of a college OT playing G over Williams is minimal.

Could start? You want to cross train a rookie at 2 positions? Or are you just talking the following season after Collins or Tyron poop out?

I'm not seeing a good fit for us at 10. TeamTradeBack.
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I did not like the oline last year. We have really good WR's and it was hard to get time to throw to them.

I have no problem taking slater, no matter how they use him.
 

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dsturgeon said:
I did not like the oline last year. We have really good WR's and it was hard to get time to throw to them.

I have no problem taking slater, no matter how they use him.
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I have a problem using the 10th pick on a player who only marginally improves us next year.

I didn't like our oline last year either, but how'd you like our DTs? Our LBs? Our CBs?

I liked our oline better than the D last year, and we're adding two HOFers and a borderline Pro Bowl player, all coming back from injury, to the oline.

We're getting Hill back on defense.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
I have a problem using the 10th pick on a player who only marginally improves us next year.

I didn't like our oline last year either, but how'd you like our DTs? Our LBs? Our CBs?

I liked our oline better than the D last year, and we're adding two HOFers and a borderline Pro Bowl player, all coming back from injury, to the oline.

We're getting Hill back on defense.
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I hope hill does well, and comes back strong.

I am fine if they take a corner. I think they can get a corner later on, and Diggs was lining up against the #1 receivers last year, and should get better.

Slater can play any position on the line.

LB at 10 is risky

I don't care what they take, I just want him to be a top 10 player.
 

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I hope hill does well, and comes back strong.

I am fine if they take a corner. I think they can get a corner later on, and Diggs was lining up against the #1 receivers last year, and should get better.

Slater can play any position on the line.

LB at 10 is risky

I don't care what they take, I just want him to be a top 10 player.
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Slater *any* position? C? That would interesting. Biadasz really didn't set the world on fire. We'd have the pass blocking of 5 Ts.

Good chance for a CB, but I'm not a fan. Not a fan of LB too, but if the fancy LB drops, I can see them taking him.

On Hill, we can hope, but the guy is really a developmental player coming off season ending knee injury heading into his 3rd year. I don't want to be starting him only to develop him for the rest of the league then have to start over again.

I wish there was a DT worth it a 10. Ideal for me, given the board, is to trade back, get Barmore, and start him.
 
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Slater *any* position? C? That would interesting. Biadasz really didn't set the world on fire. We'd have the pass blocking of 5 Ts.

Good chance for a CB, but I'm not a fan. Not a fan of LB too, but if the fancy LB drops, I can see them taking him.

On Hill, we can hope, but the guy is really a developmental player coming off season ending knee injury heading into his 3rd year. I don't want to be starting him only to develop him for the rest of the league then have to start over again.

I wish there was a DT worth it a 10. Ideal for me, given the board, is to trade back, get Barmore, and start him.
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That was something i read about slater. I didnt actually watch his games or anything. Trade back would be nice.
 

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buybuydandavis said:
Slater *any* position? C? That would interesting. Biadasz really didn't set the world on fire. We'd have the pass blocking of 5 Ts.

Good chance for a CB, but I'm not a fan. Not a fan of LB too, but if the fancy LB drops, I can see them taking him.

On Hill, we can hope, but the guy is really a developmental player coming off season ending knee injury heading into his 3rd year. I don't want to be starting him only to develop him for the rest of the league then have to start over again.

I wish there was a DT worth it a 10. Ideal for me, given the board, is to trade back, get Barmore, and start him.
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No matter how you slice it, Barmore should be our first pick.
 
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