PFF suggest trading Gallup to Dolphins for 2021 3rd and 4th

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He gets a third like wentz?! No way we need at least a second for Gallup.
For the record, Wentz got a third and a second that could turn into a 1st.

Also, as much I really like Gallup, this is a very rich draft in WRs. Why would the Dolphins give up a 3 and a 4 for a one year rental?
 

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For a 3/4? That would be stupid.

Offer a 2 and we'll talk.
 

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Lol no, don’t do that. The hate is the people who say he’s not that good, highlight perceived flaws and downplay how good he’s been here.

wanting to get rid of him when he’s already living up to his contract might be foolish, but doesn’t have to be hate
Someone recently did a nice post on the cap dollar allocation on offense vs defense.

Dallas is way out of line. Shows on the field.

I'd love to keep all those WR, but gotta play defense also.
 

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not so much have to, just whether it’s the smart thing to do. I love that kid and want to keep him, just may not make sense to
Do you know how the 17th game affects the cap? The league seems to be playing games. Did the players agree to play the extra game?
 

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I don’t know, I’m a critic of his. You’ll have to find another strawman to prop up.

My comments on Cooper is based on salary cap realities, not whether I want to see him go.

Right, people think if you want to get rid of Cooper that means you don't like him but it's simply a financial decision. I believe the best way to allocate their resources at WR is to move on from Cooper after next year and re-sign Gallup.

Of course this is still to be determined. We have to see how they play this year. If Gallup regresses in 2021 then we need to reevaluate. What I do know is I wouldn't trade him now for a 3rd and 4th round pick. Not happening. One more year of this trio.
 

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Do you know how the 17th game affects the cap? The league seems to be playing games. Did the players agree to play the extra game?

i honestly have no clue. you'd think the extra revenue would give it a healthy boost though. and the nflpa agreed yes.
 

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Someone recently did a nice post on the cap dollar allocation on offense vs defense.

Dallas is way out of line. Shows on the field.

I'd love to keep all those WR, but gotta play defense also.

yeah agreed. i just don't know that amari is the guy to get rid of considering he's our best receiver. it's not like we'd extend gallup on a rookie wage, so ( i feel like) the savings would be disproportionate to the talent if you wind up giving Gallup like 18 per
 

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Do you know how the 17th game affects the cap? The league seems to be playing games. Did the players agree to play the extra game?
This was agreed to per previous CBA.

Owners had option to go to 18 games. I'm surprised it's taken this long.

They would have had to have given something back to the players in that event, so I'm sure they get a larger percentage of revenue or whatever.

Either way, it's nothing the players need to agree to. Already done.
 

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I think they're saying we have to decide if he's part of our long-term plan. If not, we may wanna trade him before his contract expires after the 2021 season. Interestingly the same year we have to make a decision about Coop also.

I'm not sure about this trade.....must rather Dolphins 2nd rounder and they keep the 3rd and 4th.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-10-tra...021-nfl-offseason-deshaun-watson-carson-wentz

WR MICHAEL GALLUPMIAMI DOLPHINS FOR A 2021 3RD (#81), 2021 4TH (#123)
Cowboys Cap Implications: $222,495 in dead money, $2.383 million in cap savings

Dolphins Cap Implications: One-year, $2.383 million, $0 in total guarantees

Gallup saw his role in the Dallas offense diminish with the emergence of 2020 first-round pick CeeDee Lamb, even ignoring the obvious quarterback troubles in Dallas last season. Gallup was highly productive while operating as the No. 2 target opposite Amari Cooper in 2018-19, but he became more of a deep threat option with less volume as Lamb’s role continued to grow each week.

Gallup saw 105 targets in 2020 out of the Cowboys' 662 total pass attempts — good for a 15.8% target share — after garnering 116 targets on 633 total pass attempts in 2019 for an 18.3% target share. Lamb out-targeted Gallup in his rookie season — one in which the Cowboys had a brand new coaching staff and a truncated offseason — and that trend should only continue going forward.

The Cowboys can get good value for Gallup before the conclusion of his rookie contract, and he can be a strong No. 2 or borderline No. 1 option in Miami in his contract year (depending on how the Dolphins further address the position this offseason). It’s a potential win-win for both parties, especially with tight end Blake Jarwin set to return for Dallas, presumably leading to more two wide-receiver sets.

Here's his contract...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/michael-gallup-25180/




Right now the strength of this team is the offense and the strength of the offense is the WR unit. The Cowboys have one of the top 2 set of 3 WR in the league and to weaken their best strength is foolishness. Just a couple weeks ago there was all the speculation around here that Gallup would get a 1st round pick in trade. Now a sportswriter is speculating a 3rd and 4th round pick. Now most people agree that the defense needs help, a lot of help and weakening their strongest unit for picks that won't turn the defense into a top 10 let alone a top 15 defense is just weakening their strongest unit. Now those same people that were speculating a 1st round pick also said that getting that 1st round pick was better than if the Cowboys are unable to resign Gallup after the 2021 season that the Cowboys would get a 3rd round comp pick so the Cowboys comp pick could be in a higher spot than the dolphins pick in the 2022 draft so that make the dolphins 3rd round in 2021 less valuable and the 4th round pick isn't enough to justify weakening the WR unit. There's an old saying that just doesn't apply to the NFL - less is more.
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Right now the strength of this team is the offense and the strength of the offense is the WR unit. The Cowboys have one of the top 2 set of 3 WR in the league and to weaken their best strength is foolishness. Just a couple weeks ago there was all the speculation around here that Gallup would get a 1st round pick in trade. Now a sportswriter is speculating a 3rd and 4th round pick. Now most people agree that the defense needs help, a lot of help and weakening their strongest unit for picks that won't turn the defense into a top 10 let alone a top 15 defense is just weakening their strongest unit. Now those same people that were speculating a 1st round pick also said that getting that 1st round pick was better than if the Cowboys are unable to resign Gallup after the 2021 season that the Cowboys would get a 3rd round comp pick so the Cowboys comp pick could be in a higher spot than the dolphins pick in the 2022 draft so that make the dolphins 3rd round in 2021 less valuable and the 4th round pick isn't enough to justify weakening the WR unit. There's an old saying that just doesn't apply to the NFL - less is more.
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True.

I think a 2nd could potentially yield a player to help the defense right away, but that's only a maybe.

Still probably not worth doing overall.

I think they end up finding a way to keep the three of them together for while....

A good way to help do that may be to rip up his rookie deal now in order for some sort of discount.
 

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How I would handle this....

Negotiate this year with Gallup on an extension. But hold all my guys this year.
Extend Gallup at a WR2 rate. 10-12M per year.
Let him walk if more than that.
If he extends you have a top 3 receiving corps and one that doesn't really cost you much this year or next.
Then in year 3 you cut Amari Cooper.
You promote Lamb to WR1 and keep Gallup as WR2 where he belongs.
You keep drafting r5-7 WR types and see if you hit on one that can play the slot very well as you start stretching Lamb more outside.

I am very willing to consider transition tagging Gallup if I have to and just buying the next 2 years as very winnable period.

I could care less about more picks in the 80s and 100s as I have a ton of those this year.
I need immediate impact players and Gallup is that.

This plan wasn't that smart when first discussed and only gets dumber as we get close to this draft loaded with offensive weapons (which has immediate effect of lowering Gallup's value).

It's unfortunate off has decided to sell out now into click bait and attention gathering as a means to financial success.
 

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Right now the strength of this team is the offense and the strength of the offense is the WR unit. The Cowboys have one of the top 2 set of 3 WR in the league and to weaken their best strength is foolishness. Just a couple weeks ago there was all the speculation around here that Gallup would get a 1st round pick in trade. Now a sportswriter is speculating a 3rd and 4th round pick. Now most people agree that the defense needs help, a lot of help and weakening their strongest unit for picks that won't turn the defense into a top 10 let alone a top 15 defense is just weakening their strongest unit. Now those same people that were speculating a 1st round pick also said that getting that 1st round pick was better than if the Cowboys are unable to resign Gallup after the 2021 season that the Cowboys would get a 3rd round comp pick so the Cowboys comp pick could be in a higher spot than the dolphins pick in the 2022 draft so that make the dolphins 3rd round in 2021 less valuable and the 4th round pick isn't enough to justify weakening the WR unit. There's an old saying that just doesn't apply to the NFL - less is more.
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Precisely.
Gallup's value to this team is higher than it is league-wide.
Dallas has a perfect situation with a route running demon in Amari that plays inside and out, a top 5 outside deep threat in Gallup who isn't that great in other areas and the leagues best zone slot weapon(most yardage out of slot versus zones in all of the NFL in 2020) in CeeDee Lamb.
These guys know their roles and compliment each other beautifully.
 

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For the record, Wentz got a third and a second that could turn into a 1st.

Also, as much I really like Gallup, this is a very rich draft in WRs. Why would the Dolphins give up a 3 and a 4 for a one year rental?
I know with wentz LOL I was kidding. But agreed why would the dolphins do that. Honestly if some did come along and offer a second for Gallup hard fo say no. Even a third that can turn into a second.
 

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I don't expect we will either keep both Gallup or Cooper.
This is exactly why I have no problems taking Pitts with the 10th pick.
 

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Gallup is worth a 2nd at minimum. It’s arguable that he’s worth a 1st. I’d almost rather keep him than pay Amari 20 million per year.
 

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You could be right, but that is a huge risk. I think a lot of it will depend on if the cap/league revenue goes back to its normal trajectory after 2021. I think $8MM might be a little light just in looking at Gallops comps over the last few years though.

In 2020 free agency:
  • The Chiefs paid Sammy Watkins $8MM after a 52/673/3 line
  • The Saints paid Emmanual Sanders $12MM after a 68/869/5 line
  • The Texans paid Randall Cobb $9MM after a 55/828/3 line
To compare Gallup ended 2020 with 59/843/5 line. 2019 he had a 66/1107/6 line. If he has another 1000+ yard season in 2021 he could set himself up for a monster contract probably in that $15-18MM annually range.
If someone gives him $15 to $18 then I hope he takes it and wish him the best.

Unless we are getting a guarantee starting OL of safety ect then I wouldn’t want to see him walk for a 3rd. That’s project player level. Another Conor McGovern level.

It’s a risk no doubt. It’s a risk no matter what we do.
 

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I don't expect we will either keep both Gallup or Cooper.
This is exactly why I have no problems taking Pitts with the 10th pick.
Sorry Who? Is Pitts a WR? if so then hard pass. We have too many holes at defense and OL to spend another 1st on a WR.
 

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Sorry Who? Is Pitts a WR? if so then hard pass. We have too many holes at defense and OL to spend another 1st on a WR.
We've gone over this many times.
Pitts is a hybrid TE/WR. It's not a hard pass. It's literally taking the best player on the board at 10.
You have to approach the draft with just one year in mind.
There will be good talent in the other rounds.
 

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We've gone over this many times.
Pitts is a hybrid TE/WR. It's not a hard pass. It's literally taking the best player on the board at 10.
You have to approach the draft with just one year in mind.
There will be good talent in the other rounds.
Who is we?
Hard pass for a TE or WR in the first round. Not even debatable. When you have the worst defense in the history of the franchise you don’t draft a 4th WR or TE in the first round.

Outside of a Randy Moss player it’s a hard pass.

Some people never learn the NFL isn’t Madden.
 
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