High priced free agents and Gregory contract

dsturgeon

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Emmanuel Ogbah (Age 28, 6'4", 270) signed a two year, $15 million contract with the Dolphins. Ogbah received $7.5 million in guarantees.
Leonard Floyd (Age 29, 6'6", 244) signed a one year, $10 million contract with the Rams. Floyd's entire contract is fully guaranteed. The final two years of the contract are voidable.

Gregory will be 29 this next season, and comes with certain amounts of risk, so I would imagine somewhere around Ogbah's and Floyd's deals. Throw in Jerry receiving criticism for drafting Gregory, and the deal could be even higher.

Regarding paying Dak and/or bringing in high-priced free agents, the last few years our moves have been motivated by Stephen's cheapness and this false belief that Will McClay is clever. Neither approach has an ounce of validity to it, but this team has to be proven dead wrong beyond all reasonable doubt before they shift philosophies. Stephen seems shocked that Dak (and other free agents) aren't willing to play for significantly less for the honor of being a Dallas Cowboy. While he is correct that being a Dallas Cowboy gives you an additional opportunity in regards to endorsements and marketability, he is absolutely out of his mind to ask players to take less money.

It's too bad too. The NFC East is ripe to be dominated by the Cowboys. We're too busy trying to prove the Jones' family are smart football people rather than focusing on getting better.

If not for the Smith, Collins, Jarwin, Dak injuries, and Frederick retiring last year, Mcclay and Stephen would be looking pretty good right now. They would most likely have a top 3 offense ( maybe the #1), and last season would have been a different story.

Not to mention all the other injuries.
 

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After a 13 sack season, Gregory is probably the top non-QB free agent next year. The contract would be huge.

If we want some loyalty discount, we should extend Gregory this offseason while there's more doubt about his future value. I expect that to happen.

If we wait until Gregory proves himself and his market value is clear, there won't be much room for a discount.
I don't think his contract will be huge even if he has 15-17 sack season. His career so far is the reason why
 

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If not for the Smith, Collins, Jarwin, Dak injuries, and Frederick retiring last year, Mcclay and Stephen would be looking pretty good right now
If not for the 11 other teams with better records the Cowboys would have won the NFC.
 

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He didnt play a full season in 2018
didnt play at all in 2019
No offseason or training camp in 2020 and missed 6 games

He only had 3.5 sacks, but he was getting close
He played 10 games, and he will have a full football offseason/training camp, and should look as good as he has ever looked
This is his shot for a big payday

Dlaw had a 14.5 sack season before his paycheck
and he will be pushing the qb towards Gregory, it will be a race

13 is not out of the ballpark
Yeah I don't think you understand that 3 players in the entire nfl registered 13 sacks or more last year. Gregory is not a top 3 pass rusher in the nfl
 

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Yeah I don't think you understand that 3 players in the entire nfl registered 13 sacks or more last year. Gregory is not a top 3 pass rusher in the nfl

He is not a top 3 pass rusher in the league, but next year hasn't started

Try it this way,
Using only Gregory's skill set and pass rush ability, if he plays a full season, what is he lacking that he could not be a top 3 pass rusher?

Not to mention, unlike last year, I have feeling teams are going to be playing catch up and throwing the ball against the cowboys
 
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Greg's special.
He doesn't even need to keep his nose clean anymore, according to the new rules.

He gets through this off-season and shows out next season?
Drop some bucks. He actually really wants to play for this team and is a pretty good kid.

And BONUS: He hasn't been included in the Hot Boyz clique.
You guys should love that.
 

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*Decide* now. That decision can also be to let them play out the year and wave goodbye. Final year trades have to exceed comp pick value, with some premium, to make sense.

But yes, decide in the year *before*. Not only is that when you still have leverage, it also lets you plan your snaps for the year accordingly. If a guy isn't part of our future, there is less reason to play him.

I expect we let Gallup play out the year and wave goodbye. Doubt we could get much premium on his likely comp pick value now. Last time to trade him was after the end of game heroics when Dak went down.

I'd pay Gallup. By the time Lamb is up for an extension let Cooper go. He'll be around 30 by then.
 

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I'd pay Gallup. By the time Lamb is up for an extension let Cooper go. He'll be around 30 by then.

Way too much resource at WR for me. I wouldn't pay another WR a big fat free agent contract. Let Galllup go. Move on with Cooper and Lamb. Draft some speed in 2022 to have the option of moving on from Cooper sooner than the end of his contract.

It's already two first round picks and a third, and Cooper's big fat contract. My justification for spending a first on Lamb even though we were in good shape at WR last year was giving us the option of moving on from Gallup or Cooper in 2022, maybe both, though most likely just Gallup. And then still having a legit #1 when we eventually do get rid of Cooper. Drafting Lamb set us up for not having to bump up WR payroll, or use big picks, for WR for a long time.
 

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Greg's special.
He doesn't even need to keep his nose clean anymore, according to the new rules.
No, I think Gregory is grandfathered in for being screwed by another pot infraction. He's been suspended indefinitely twice. The smallest thing and he can be out. I think he's still subject to random testing because of his history.
 

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With the diminished 2021 cap space and impending Dak's contract to deal with, high priced free agents are something the Cowboys will have to minimize. As for Gregory, isn't he already signed for 2021. I would encourage the FO to re-sign RG early on the cheap.
 

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That was after how long being out? Takes awhile to get back to 100%.

Also he was getting limited snaps if I'm not mistaken. Had he been getting starters reps (which he should have because he was playing the best) he would have likely gotten more stats.
 

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Way too much resource at WR for me. I wouldn't pay another WR a big fat free agent contract. Let Galllup go. Move on with Cooper and Lamb. Draft some speed in 2022 to have the option of moving on from Cooper sooner than the end of his contract.

It's already two first round picks and a third, and Cooper's big fat contract. My justification for spending a first on Lamb even though we were in good shape at WR last year was giving us the option of moving on from Gallup or Cooper in 2022, maybe both, though most likely just Gallup. And then still having a legit #1 when we eventually do get rid of Cooper. Drafting Lamb set us up for not having to bump up WR payroll, or use big picks, for WR for a long time.

Gallup wouldn't be getting a fat free agent contract if they extend him before 2021, not after the season. Dallas has 3 good WRs. Gallup and Lamb would be cheaper than Lamb and Cooper. Unless you want to keep only 2 after 2021, then go down to 1 after 2022.
 

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Gallup wouldn't be getting a fat free agent contract if they extend him before 2021, not after the season. Dallas has 3 good WRs. Gallup and Lamb would be cheaper than Lamb and Cooper. Unless you want to keep only 2 after 2021, then go down to 1 after 2022.

Gallup and Lamb together give you no speed. No one stretches the field. I think Cooper is a clear level above both right now. Maybe two above Gallup, as Galup is a notch below Lamb already.
 

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Gallup and Lamb together give you no speed. No one stretches the field. I think Cooper is a clear level above both right now. Maybe two above Gallup, as Galup is a notch below Lamb already.

I agree with your opinion of the WRs. I just don't think you need 4.2 or 4.3 speed to stretch the field. Regardless of how fast you can run, DBs have speed too. If they want to keep you in front of them, they will no matter how fast you are in the NFL. If they make a mistake and a WR gets past them, it's already over before the DB can recover. Even against a slower player than them. Speeds in the NFL are just not that far apart when concerning fast players.

We'll see what happens. I have a feeling the Cowboys will go the route you think before mine.
 

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No, I think Gregory is grandfathered in for being screwed by another pot infraction. He's been suspended indefinitely twice. The smallest thing and he can be out. I think he's still subject to random testing because of his history.
Right on. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.
 

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I am not good with the salary cap, so i want some input.

Gregory is signed for 2021. If he comes out with 13+sacks, which is entirely possible, how much cap space will the cowboys have to sign him and what would they have to pay him?

If they spend money on dak and bring in high priced free agents would there be enough left for Gregory, Gallup, and any other players they need to sign?

Dlaw and Gregory is a good combo. Gregory is still only 28 with little wear on his body
Actually shouldn't be a problem come 2022 to resign Gregory with the new TV contracts, streaming services, legalized gambling, etc. the cap is going to rise and fast after 2021 so getting Gregory for a middle contract would be fine. No team is going to pay Gregory top 5 and probably not top 10 money with his history of drug abuse and his next meeting with the commish if it happens means he is gone for a couple of years.
 
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