The assumption of a better GM

OmerV

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The majority of us want the owner to hire a GM and turn it over to him, at least that's my take.

There are others that want him to step down and turn it over to his son, which defies all known logic to me....and mankind.

But let's say he does decide to hire a GM. Is he going to hire one better than he's been or one worse? His ego is tied up with his team. Another's success accentuates his failure.

Who do you think might have been his first one he hired? Larry Lacewell? Hiring friends is as bad as hiring family.

Look at who Snyder turned his team over to in the beginning, that Sopranos cat Vinny Cerrato, the Lions let Matt Millen sink their ship and Snyder upped his play when he hired a drunk as his GM who promptly got hammered in the coaches booth, got kicked out and ended up in the press box and fired.

We're beginning to see turnover at the GM level that rivals HC's and does the owner's hiring of HC's give us a clue as to his hiring of a GM?

Be careful of what you wish for and before anyone writes they couldn't do any worse, oh yes, they could do a lot worse.

Our two best hopes are that 1) he finally gets it, begins working full time and is able to be a top rate GM or 2) we get lucky. I am not so sure I would hope that he hire a GM.
Even if he did hire a GM, I can't imagine he would fully hand over the reins. The GM would probably still have to go through Jerry to get things done, and Jerry would likely still meddle.
 

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The patriots will put everything in perspective.

Tom Brady helped get the GM credit, and even the coach. The GM and organization was propped up for a long time.

There is good a chance they will not be relevant for the next 5-10 years, and who knows how long before they get to another superbowl.

If this does happen(which I am leaning towards), why did the so called "great organization/gm/owner" not have preparations ready for the departure of Brady

Strange that the superbowl followed the star player
Patirots with a competant qb were horrible

Besides some bad contract, Jones is not as bad as people think
 

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That's exactly what happened and the better part of me wants me to realize it.

Theres another part that wants me to hope.

Its insanely ridiculous that Jerry came to the conclusion to hire MM that quickly, and shows how easy it is to sell the guy making all the decisions.

Then again, Jerry only wanted a puppet.

One can probably realize they have found one within 12 hours.
Unfortunately a large part of this fan base was thinking the same as Jerry. They were so happy JG was gone he could have hired Big Bird to be the next HC and they would have been giddy. Add in that MM had a Super Bowl rings attached to his name with several playoff victories and this fan base was sold.

I’m not throwing in the towel on McCarthy, I think every coach should get 3-4 years depending on their success and last year was obviously whacked in several different ways but I’ve also always been skeptical of MM’s success. I never liked his lack of aggressiveness when getting the lead and still think most of his success was due to having possibly the best QB to ever play the game on his team. Even with all the injuries, he made quite a few in game head scratching decisions last year and most came back to bite him. Overall, I’m not a big fan of his until proven otherwise.
 

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Even if he did hire a GM, I can't imagine he would fully hand over the reins. The GM would probably still have to go through Jerry to get things done, and Jerry would likely still meddle.
Exactly, hiring a GM would probably do nothing for just that reason. He would be nothing but a figurehead. The only hope that anything will change is when Jerry takes a dirt nap and MAYBE Stevey boy will hire a competent GM after seeing his father fail for decades.
 

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Unfortunately a large part of this fan base was thinking the same as Jerry. They were so happy JG was gone he could have hired Big Bird to be the next HC and they would have been giddy. Add in that MM had a Super Bowl rings attached to his name with several playoff victories and this fan base was sold.

I’m not throwing in the towel on McCarthy, I think every coach should get 3-4 years depending on their success and last year was obviously whacked in several different ways but I’ve also always been skeptical of MM’s success. I never liked his lack of aggressiveness when getting the lead and still think most of his success was due to having possibly the best QB to ever play the game on his team. Even with all the injuries, he made quite a few in game head scratching decisions last year and most came back to bite him. Overall, I’m not a big fan of his until proven otherwise.
I have a difficult time giving Jerry any type of benefit of the doubt.

He is an emotional guy and makes decisions accordingly.

He got sold.....and that little word "guarantee" allowed MM as much as joke about it, but its extremely real.

I'm very much hoping otherwise, but I'm seeing this for what it was.

That why the idea of blowing the whole thing up while Jerry is GM and MM is HC is a joke.

May as well give this a real shot.....as best as it has anyway. The time to blow it all up is three years from now when Jerry is STILL trying to figure it all out.
 

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The majority of us want the owner to hire a GM and turn it over to him, at least that's my take.

There are others that want him to step down and turn it over to his son, which defies all known logic to me....and mankind.

But let's say he does decide to hire a GM. Is he going to hire one better than he's been or one worse? His ego is tied up with his team. Another's success accentuates his failure.

Who do you think might have been his first one he hired? Larry Lacewell? Hiring friends is as bad as hiring family.

Look at who Snyder turned his team over to in the beginning, that Sopranos cat Vinny Cerrato, the Lions let Matt Millen sink their ship and Snyder upped his play when he hired a drunk as his GM who promptly got hammered in the coaches booth, got kicked out and ended up in the press box and fired.

We're beginning to see turnover at the GM level that rivals HC's and does the owner's hiring of HC's give us a clue as to his hiring of a GM?

Be careful of what you wish for and before anyone writes they couldn't do any worse, oh yes, they could do a lot worse.

Our two best hopes are that 1) he finally gets it, begins working full time and is able to be a top rate GM or 2) we get lucky. I am not so sure I would hope that he hire a GM.
Great discussion Coach. I’ve often addressed this over the years.

Despite how we all would like a new GM which is something we should all be United on we must realize that our Football Idiots have outperformed much of the bottom tier franchises in the league. And they should be terribly embarrassed they couldn’t out perform our dysfunctional organization.

But at least in a more normal environment they have the opportunity to finally get it right and potentially make improvement even if they get it wrong for years eventually hiring the right guy. Something we have little hope with.
 

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But if he held that GM accountable and would replace him with another if results warrant it then it's a better system than going into a 26th season with a GM who's 0 for 25.

I'll take a revolving door of candidates hoping to hit on one than a proven failure till death do we part.
Yep . And that’s basically what normally ran franchises do. It’s a revolving door until you finally get it right.

Browns are a good example. They appear to finally getting it right. And took them how long. It’s been about as revolving door as we’ve seen this era.

Only fools continue throwing the same crap up against the wall expecting different results. Sometimes you change just for the sake of change if things become stagnant. And after 25 years I think most agree we have definitely become stagnant to say the least.
 

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I have a difficult time giving Jerry any type of benefit of the doubt.

He is an emotional guy and makes decisions accordingly.

He got sold.....and that little word "guarantee" allowed MM as much as joke about it, but its extremely real.

I'm very much hoping otherwise, but I'm seeing this for what it was.

That why the idea of blowing the whole thing up while Jerry is GM and MM is HC is a joke.

May as well give this a real shot.....as best as it has anyway. The time to blow it all up is three years from now when Jerry is STILL trying to figure it all out.
There’s much truth to this . And why I’m supporting signing Dak. We might as well ride this out and see where it goes for a couple more years.

It’s not like will have new leadership come in and bring the type of rebuild necessary.
 

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I’m to the point after all of these years that while the old diehard in me still wants us to win , I actually get some satisfaction that Jethro hadn’t figured it out.

It’s been a twisted ride with this SOB. A love/ hate relationship where Im rooting for the players success but get a chuckle from the owner losing .
 

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Jerry has already turned over the majority of operations to Stephen. Jerry is doing what most owners do he's just more public about it. The reason things have not worked for either of the Jones boys is because they are not football architects. Neither have an idea on how they want to build their team, neither does the HC's they have hired so far. Stephen Jones knows contracts, 100% but he hasn't a clue as to who should get that money. That means they are having to ask different people's opinions. Too many people offering up too many different opinions and the Jones boys do not have a clue as to what they want in a player or how to evaluate them themselves. It is the single hardest way to make big decisions. They need to hire a football guy, one that has the power to make changes to coaches and players to fit his/her vision in order to build a team.
 

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McClay is pretty much the GM and Stephen is the salary cap guru. They do it all by committee approach.
 

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I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM.

That's a comforting thought for some, I suppose. It obviously works for you. The problem is no GM has the same job for 25 years with Jerry's results. He'd have fired himself 20 years ago were it someone else.

It's not just the lack of success, although that's a big part of it, it's the hypocrisy and nepotism that come along with it. People scream for accountability when what they really mean is give us another scapegoat.
 

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McClay is pretty much the GM and Stephen is the salary cap guru. They do it all by committee approach.

And they're doing a swell job of it. I'm guessing only one member of that committee will ever be in danger of being fired. The others can fail until death do they part.
 

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And they're doing a swell job of it. I'm guessing only one member of that committee will ever be in danger of being fired. The others can fail until death do they part.

The one running the draft is doing pretty well. As long as they don’t listen to coaches we will be alright.
 

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That's a comforting thought for some, I suppose. It obviously works for you. The problem is no GM has the same job for 25 years with Jerry's results. He'd have fired himself 20 years ago were it someone else.

It's not just the lack of success, although that's a big part of it, it's the hypocrisy and nepotism that come along with it. People scream for accountability when what they really mean is give us another scapegoat.
Jethro even admitted he’d of fired someone with his record. It’s insane.

But fans like the one you responded to is part of the core issue. They actually are ok with it. Unbelievable!!

I’m left with they are just Homers who’d root for anything under the Star. It’s embarrassing.
 

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Let Jerry do what he does best Market the brand and make money. I would give Payton manning a shot at it and i'm not kidding.
 

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The problem is would Jerry give a GM the free reign he needs, or would he micro manage just like he does everything else.
Sadly I'm not confident.
The only way out IMO is to have someone with such gravitas that they can stand up to Jerry (like Jimmy/Tuna did).
Not a lot of GM's out there like that.
I think if he did decide to hire a GM, we'd interview also rans who were available (just like we did with head coaches) who would be yes men for Jerry. And get the same result.
I actually think we had an opportunity last year, when Urban Meyer announced on the Herd that he would be interested.
I know Meyer is not perfect, I get it, but he has the kind of gravitas needed to say NO to Jerry. He is also a phenomenal leader of men.
I was hoping we'd bring him in with full power, have him Coach for a few years, then name one of his assistants as HC and step upstairs. Like what he did at OSU. Instead, Jerry hired another rerun NFL head coach yes man.
Same bad plan = Same bad result.
I fear it would be similar with most GM's.
 

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I would think hiring a GM would be a good ideal but then at the end of the day the GM is not the owner and can't hire himself and is subject to be fired by the owner at any given time. I tend to have less issue with Jerry bring the GM what does matter is the personnel guy that he hires. Right now those who cover the Cowboys will tell you the most powerful man outside of the Jones is Will McClay. His input carries a lot of weight.
 
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