The tag and the elephant in the room

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CouchCoach said:
Who are you willing to give up for a backup QB who's price has gone up? They tag Prescott and the cap is stuck on 180, that's 21% of the cap, you want to pay Dalton 7-9M on top of that? Want to have 25% of the cap tied up with QB's when this D is a disaster?
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good point. So in reality, what we need to see happen is Garrett Gilbert come into camp and win that back up spot. That would save the cap. OR if we think we have seen enough to elevate him to the defacto back up now, we could let Dalton walk. That may be what we do.
 
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I expect Dak to get a longterm deal, if this happens then I would expect that Gilbert would be brought back. I think the price tag on Dalton will be a bit higher and think he will move on from Dallas. (If he stays at a low contract great) however do not see drafting of a QB if Dak signs at least not in the top 4 picks if at all. If Dallas is unable to sign Dak then all bets are off.
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I like Gilbert alot. IMO, he should have the inside track on the back up spot. He is beloved here in Texas and so Jerry and Stephen are keenly aware of that fact.
 
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I do not underestimate the effect of public opinion in DFW and the sports world and I don't think Booger does either. He is well aware he was the bad guy last season and he remembers all too well the death threats about Emmitt that he and the DFW police took seriously. Now ask yourself this. More nuts around now than in 1993?
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Less nuts now, I think. Back in 1993 Dallas had just won a Lombardi, and not signing a key piece like Emmitt literally pissed people off. These days, since the team hasn't won squat since 1996, the rage just isn't there. Fans are apathetic due to a generation of suckage. That and the general belief that Jerry simply doesn't give two poops about winning.
 
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Rayman70 said:
good point. So in reality, what we need to see happen is Garrett Gilbert come into camp and win that back up spot. That would save the cap. OR if we think we have seen enough to elevate him to the defacto back up now, we could let Dalton walk. That may be what we do.
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I think Dalton is gone unless he just wants to take less to stay in DFW. And maybe he's not a money guy.

Lots of young QB's with new teams this season and he'd be a good bridge QB and they're not going to be paying their QB 37.7M. If he hadn't played so much this season, I think the chances of keeping him would be greater but he's earned a shot at more money with another team.
 
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Rayman70 said:
I like Gilbert alot. IMO, he should have the inside track on the back up spot. He is beloved here in Texas and so Jerry and Stephen are keenly aware of that fact.
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I would soon keep Dalton but I do think he will move on with a better contract elsewhere. I don't think living in the area give Dallas any more of a discount but could happen. As for Gilbert I think he showed himself as a good backup in the Pitt game and gave Dallas a chance to win in a tight game.
 
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I am not convinced Dalton will be elsewhere. I think Texas is home to him . I've seen a few headlines about maybe in Denver but well see. I see both of them here next year
 
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Let's say they end up tagging Prescott. And let's add that they do not extend Dalton. And they do not draft a QB.

I don't think they have the cap to keep Dalton with tagging Prescott and they won't know prior to the draft what Prescott is going to do. And taking a QB could just exacerbate the situation.

I said last season no way he doesn't show up for 31.4M and no QB has ever been a no show on a tag. It's just not a good image but this is completely different with Prescott.

No QB ever got an injury like that on a tag. I don't recall any player on a tag getting an injury like that. Think the fans and media would be down on him for being a no show or would they be sympathetic to him since the majority of negative backlash was directed at the front office of the team when they failed to get a deal done last season?

This is new ground and on one hand Prescott and his agent want him to show the NFL that he's fully recovered and hasn't lost anything but another season ending injury and what's his worth now? Plus he gets that "injury prone" attachment.

Sure, 37.7M is a huge chunk o change but weighed against a potential of 150M over just the next 4 years and that requires some thought. Then you've got the question of what they do if he is a no show. Both this year and next.

Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Or would you hold out and take your chances with what happens? Now, you are 31.4M richer than you were last year and still have the endorsements unless they bail on you and why would they? All depends on public opinion but I can see a lot of empathetic sports talking heads and they were 90% against the front office after the last failure to sign him.

I wonder if it's even crossed the Joneses' minds that he might be a no show? They for sure know their dealing with a serious dude in his agent and I could see him recommending that Prescott hold out.

So, what would you do? Both as Dak Prescott and the front office.
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Whatever they do, there will be no shortage of screaming, crying, stressed out hand wringing and criticism. At this point, I don’t know or care. Make a choice and live with it. My investment in the NFL sure ain’t what it used to be—the drama, greed, litigation, rule changes, entitlement, yada yada yada. This is SUPPOSED TO BE fun!
 
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You take the 37 million unless your ankle is preventing you to practice so then you just don't show up and say it's because of contract and hope for the best.

He can't turn down 37 million.

Also, if a guy like Dalton can come in and win at the same rate as Dak then what happens if they sign someone a little better then Dalton and they start out hot? I mean if the OL is healthy it's not going to be hard to find a QB who can have success with these wide outs. Plus the division is terrible.

Sitting out is a gamble not worth taking unless he is physically incapable.
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I agree with your first sentence. Dak isn't likely to sit at home and forfeit $37 million.

The part about Dalton I don't think tells a fair story because there is a lot more that went into Dalton winning at the same rate than just Dalton being the QB.

If you look at record only, and and put that all on the QB, then Aaron Rodgers was a terrible QB in 2018, but a damn fine one in 2020. We all know that's not how it works though. Rodgers was a damn fine QB all along, but other factors contributed to the Packers failure in 2018.

In the case of Dalton, he enjoyed a defense that started generating turnovers at a dramatically higher rate, and that gave up about 9 points per game less than before Dak got hurt.
 
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I agree with your first sentence. Dak isn't likely to sit at home and forfeit $37 million.

The part about Dalton I don't think tells a fair story because there is a lot more that went into Dalton winning at the same rate than just Dalton being the QB.

If you look at record only, and and put that all on the QB, then Aaron Rodgers was a terrible QB in 2018, but a damn fine one in 2020. We all know that's not how it works though. Rodgers was a damn fine QB all along, but other factors contributed to the Packers failure in 2018.

In the case of Dalton, he enjoyed a defense that gave up about 9 points per game less than before Dak got hurt.
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Yes but thankfully we have a lot to go off of from Dak’s career and we don’t have to just evaluate him on a 4 game stretch and we know that just because the defense steps up doesn’t mean Dak will much like in 2019 when the defense stepped up several times including our win and in game against Philly and Wentz and the Eagles beat him to get in because we couldn’t score.

Dallas is a better team when Dak does less and the OLine and Zeke did more.
 

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Yes but thankfully we have a lot to go off of from Dak’s career and we don’t have to just evaluate him on a 4 game stretch and we know that just because the defense steps up doesn’t mean Dak will much like in 2019 when the defense stepped up several times including our win and in game against Philly and Wentz and the Eagles beat him to get in because we couldn’t score.

Dallas is a better team when Dak does less and the OLine and Zeke did more.
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You don’t pay a dude 35-40 million to expect the team to play harder. For that money, he should be able to win no matter the backfield. OL is different.
 
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ESisback said:
Whatever they do, there will be no shortage of screaming, crying, stressed out hand wringing and criticism. At this point, I don’t know or care. Make a choice and live with it. My investment in the NFL sure ain’t what it used to be—the drama, greed, litigation, rule changes, entitlement, yada yada yada. This is SUPPOSED TO BE fun!
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I'm getting that way about fantasy football. When I started playing years ago all the people in the league just decided on a meeting time and place, rules and maybe food. A few brought a fantasy football magazine or an internet cheat sheet, but got one of those right before the draft. Then it was good fun watching a few guys draft players on IR or cut players, etc. After that, set your lineups and play.

Now you join a league, guys show up with a laptop computer with programs that factor in team histories vs. their opponents for the season, long range weather reports, stacks of magazines, printouts of mock drafts and all bleary-eyed because they stayed up all night reviewing the last-second player deals and injuries & running different trade scenarios.

Me? I still show up with a magazine that I scanned over for a few hours in a couple of weeks before the draft.

Now fantasy football is like another job, winning means everything and losing loses you friends because they act like it's the second coming of Roger Staubach because they won....
 

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Let's say they end up tagging Prescott. And let's add that they do not extend Dalton. And they do not draft a QB.

I don't think they have the cap to keep Dalton with tagging Prescott and they won't know prior to the draft what Prescott is going to do. And taking a QB could just exacerbate the situation.

I said last season no way he doesn't show up for 31.4M and no QB has ever been a no show on a tag. It's just not a good image but this is completely different with Prescott.

No QB ever got an injury like that on a tag. I don't recall any player on a tag getting an injury like that. Think the fans and media would be down on him for being a no show or would they be sympathetic to him since the majority of negative backlash was directed at the front office of the team when they failed to get a deal done last season?

This is new ground and on one hand Prescott and his agent want him to show the NFL that he's fully recovered and hasn't lost anything but another season ending injury and what's his worth now? Plus he gets that "injury prone" attachment.

Sure, 37.7M is a huge chunk o change but weighed against a potential of 150M over just the next 4 years and that requires some thought. Then you've got the question of what they do if he is a no show. Both this year and next.

Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Or would you hold out and take your chances with what happens? Now, you are 31.4M richer than you were last year and still have the endorsements unless they bail on you and why would they? All depends on public opinion but I can see a lot of empathetic sports talking heads and they were 90% against the front office after the last failure to sign him.

I wonder if it's even crossed the Joneses' minds that he might be a no show? They for sure know their dealing with a serious dude in his agent and I could see him recommending that Prescott hold out.

So, what would you do? Both as Dak Prescott and the front office.
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given past history of Dak, having played on a 4 year contract without a peep and showing up last year under the tag, even after injury and surgery being in the facility, he will show up. all this other stuff is drama for fanzone....

with that said, dallas can tag him, move forward with draft and either draft a QB if they don't think the negotiations are going well, and perhaps decide to cut him before july 15th, if he hasn't signed the tag.
 
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And now I read that there might be a possibility that Big Ben could be a landing spot for Dallas if the Dakster does not stay with the team.
 
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