The tag and the elephant in the room

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Because of the Salary Cap. I mean, that's why. Before the Cap people never really cared overly much about about what players made. Hell, I wouldn't care now, if not for the cap. I'd say that this is the overwhelming reason most fans care about what who gets paid.

JMO

Sure they did. Fans have taken issue with how much players have made well before the salary cap. Not just in football but other sports as well.

But we never hear them complain about other entertainers salaries or income.

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
It is only the cap keeping these salaries where they are now. Some of these owners have exceptionally deep pockets like the CAR owner. He wouldn't think twice about paying a QB 50M+. When Paul Allen was alive, he would have opened the vault to bring players to SEA.

The cap creates the challenge of balance and so far, and he has to prove it for the next couple of years, only that cat in NE has figured it out. But it begins with his QB not scarfing up so much cap space.

He was opposed to the new rules making the QB's the superstars and is not going to play that game. He had cooperation from Brady for years because Brady bought in but finding a guy that understands sacrificing personally to gain as a team and personally as well is not going to be easy.

Yep
It’d be much more without the Cap.

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Because of the Salary Cap. I mean, that's why. Before the Cap people never really cared overly much about what players made. Hell, I wouldn't care now, if not for the cap. I'd say that this is the overwhelming reason most fans care about what who gets paid.

JMO

I would say envy drives that a lot more than the cap.

I wish they didn't divulge what any of these players make, it adds nothing to the game and just gets posters down on them equating their performance to pay.

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Because of the Salary Cap. I mean, that's why. Before the Cap people never really cared overly much about what players made. Hell, I wouldn't care now, if not for the cap. I'd say that this is the overwhelming reason most fans care about what who gets paid.

JMO

Fans take more issue because they know with the Cap over paying players limits what the team can pay other players. Which has a direct impact on the supporting cast.

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
I would say envy drives that a lot more than the cap.

I wish they didn't divulge what any of these players make, it adds nothing to the game and just gets posters down on them equating their performance to pay.

Yea, envy is part of it. I think there’s deeper issues though.

But fans and citizens take more issue with an athlete making hundreds of millions over an actor or artist?

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Agree with that in principle for the team but players do decide not to sign the tag and sit out. And there is mounting anger toward the tag from the NFLPA. And if Prescott's career was over because of that injury, there would be meetings about the tag.

I think the tag is a clown show. Either a team can afford to sign their player or they can't. I don't like the 5th year option either. Want a 5 year deal with a 1st rounder? Do a 5 year deal.

That 5th year option blew up on the Cowboys and they had to pay Elliott early because of it.

But that's a different situations. If I'm not mistaken, the condition I stated was, 'No reason he should not be there if he's on the tag." So that assumes that he has signed his tag and is going to get paid.

At some point, you have to be a professional ball player. I mean, so long as the team is not asking him to compromise his health and so long as the player is getting paid, then the team has every right to expect the player to be there. I mean, he has theoretically signed a binding contract to play professional football so he should be there.

I don't even see a problem with that, to be honest Coach.

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

When I look at some of these entertainers on TV I don’t see any value . But someone does . Some of those shows are plain awful. And they can earn millions acting their entire life.

But when I see an athlete I have a greater appreciation in most cases especially cause I know the physical risk and their careers are so short compared to other entertainers.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
It is only the cap keeping these salaries where they are now. Some of these owners have exceptionally deep pockets like the CAR owner. He wouldn't think twice about paying a QB 50M+. When Paul Allen was alive, he would have opened the vault to bring players to SEA.

The cap creates the challenge of balance and so far, and he has to prove it for the next couple of years, only that cat in NE has figured it out. But it begins with his QB not scarfing up so much cap space.

He was opposed to the new rules making the QB's the superstars and is not going to play that game. He had cooperation from Brady for years because Brady bought in but finding a guy that understands sacrificing personally to gain as a team and personally as well is not going to be easy.

Actually had a very similar conversation with a poster just the other day. QBs and agents have a stranglehold over this sport right now and that's a damn shame but, the cap itself, even though I am not a fan of it, has increased players salaries a great deal since it's inception. If not for the cap, there would be no CBA and no new collective bargaining agreement that allows for 58% of total revenue going to players. So yes, QBs are getting paid an exceedingly large portion of the cap for sure but overall, players salaries have really come a long way, in general. BTW, I think the QB salary thing is on it's way to correcting itself. JMO

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 23, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Sure they did. Fans have taken issue with how much players have made well before the salary cap. Not just in football but other sports as well.

But we never hear them complain about other entertainers salaries or income.

That's not my recollection. I mean, it might have been published and you saw a headline or two on it but you didn't have this. Every player's salary scrutinized, articles every day, fans discussing it 24x7, this is way over the top. It was never like this before the cap. I remember what it was like.

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Fans take more issue because they know with the Cap over paying players limits what the team can pay other players. Which has a direct impact on the supporting cast.

Why blame the player? Blame who made the deal.

I get tired of the insinuation Prescott is hurting the team with his salary demands, no, he is not. No player is responsible for management running their business. Did he have anything to do with the and the Lawrence, Elliott, Cooper or Smith deals?

The game is about the team sport of football but the real game is about every player and coach maxing out their earning potential while they can. They're not taking one for the team, they're taking as much as they can for their families and themselves. Just like every one of us would do.

Tell me, who here is willing to take less so Lawrence can get his 21M and make up really stupid nicknames? Or Smith do that stupid swipe? Or Elliott to fumble and tap out? He got that just wrong, tap out before fumbling.

We spend too much time discussing what other people deserve in the way of compensation. They deserve whatever they can get.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
I would say envy drives that a lot more than the cap.

I wish they didn't divulge what any of these players make, it adds nothing to the game and just gets posters down on them equating their performance to pay.

I don't believe it's envy. I mean, I don't honestly believe fans really equate to professional athletes etc. But I mean, you may be right, hard to say. Either way, the genie left the bottle long ago and you ain't ever getting that back.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 23, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Fans take more issue because they know with the Cap over paying players limits what the team can pay other players. Which has a direct impact on the supporting cast.

Exactly. If not for that, I doubt most fans would even care, to be honest.

JMO

OmerV · Feb 23, 2021

Diehardblues said:
When I see Rappers like Jayzee making a 100 million a tour who I couldn’t give a flip about except looking at his hot wife Beyoncé, I have no problem with QB’s making 40-50 million.

We have leading actors making 30-40million a film . And none of these other entertainers place their health on the line in an abbreviated career even if they can stay healthy.

It’s past time we stop looking at these guys as just football players. They are Athletic Entertainers who’s craft is football. And they perform on Prime Time national TV . And the filthy rich owners have no problem paying them.

The Cowboys earned over 800 million in revenue last year . Their payroll is 180 million.

What this post doesn't consider is that Rappers and actors don't have to fit their salary under a salary cap. I think that's why people care as much as they do about what players make. There isn't a salary cap in baseball, so baseball salaries aren't nearly as big a debate topic among fans.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 23, 2021

OK Guys, it's EOD for me so I'm gonna get up out of here. You Boys stay safe and have a good evening. See you tomorrow, God willing.

BlueChillyChild, no hard feelings. Come on back and we can talk about football.

starfan1 · Feb 23, 2021

Bluechillychild said:
He will be more sought after than a broke, busted, can’t be trusted Cam who averaged about 100 yards passing a game.

Well see

Praxit · Feb 23, 2021

...If I'm Dak, I'd take the 37 Greenery and prove I'm worth a big contract. Depending how the year goes. If its avg, he'll get 30-35. On flip side we go deep in playoffs he'll get 35-40. On the BIGGER flip side, Im just a fan who owns a nice cowboy jacket.

Flamma · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Let's say they end up tagging Prescott. And let's add that they do not extend Dalton. And they do not draft a QB.

I don't think they have the cap to keep Dalton with tagging Prescott and they won't know prior to the draft what Prescott is going to do. And taking a QB could just exacerbate the situation.

I said last season no way he doesn't show up for 31.4M and no QB has ever been a no show on a tag. It's just not a good image but this is completely different with Prescott.

No QB ever got an injury like that on a tag. I don't recall any player on a tag getting an injury like that. Think the fans and media would be down on him for being a no show or would they be sympathetic to him since the majority of negative backlash was directed at the front office of the team when they failed to get a deal done last season?

This is new ground and on one hand Prescott and his agent want him to show the NFL that he's fully recovered and hasn't lost anything but another season ending injury and what's his worth now? Plus he gets that "injury prone" attachment.

Sure, 37.7M is a huge chunk o change but weighed against a potential of 150M over just the next 4 years and that requires some thought. Then you've got the question of what they do if he is a no show. Both this year and next.

Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Or would you hold out and take your chances with what happens? Now, you are 31.4M richer than you were last year and still have the endorsements unless they bail on you and why would they? All depends on public opinion but I can see a lot of empathetic sports talking heads and they were 90% against the front office after the last failure to sign him.

I wonder if it's even crossed the Joneses' minds that he might be a no show? They for sure know their dealing with a serious dude in his agent and I could see him recommending that Prescott hold out.

So, what would you do? Both as Dak Prescott and the front office.

If Dak plays on the tag this year it's safe to say he won't be with the Cowboys next year, right? If you believe that, and only if you believe that, where is the upside for the Cowboys? The Cowboys aren't a QB away from being a contender. Why the hell would Jerry shell out 37.7 million for one year of nothing? There is zero logic in doing that. Dak will either get signed, walk, or get tagged and traded. Playing on the tag shouldn't be an option unless Jerry is delusional.

OmerV · Feb 23, 2021

Praxit said:
...If I'm Dak, I'd take the 37 Greenery and prove I'm worth a big contract. Depending how the year goes. If its avg, he'll get 30-35. On flip side we go deep in playoffs he'll get 35-40. On the BIGGER flip side, Im just a fan who owns a nice cowboy jacket.

I imagine he is already in line to get $35-40 million. Watson's contract helps his case. Of course, Wentz and Goff's contracts have the opposite effect. Time will tell how that all plays out.
Something to consider is he had his first big injury last year, and he may be more acutely aware of how fleeting an NFL career can be. Taking the $37 million now guarantees him a big payday for one year, but a contract guarantees a lot more than that. You have to wonder if he is as willing to gamble on one year now as he was a year ago. He may be more willing to compromise for the security of a multi-year deal.

ESisback · Feb 23, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
I'm getting that way about fantasy football. When I started playing years ago all the people in the league just decided on a meeting time and place, rules and maybe food. A few brought a fantasy football magazine or an internet cheat sheet, but got one of those right before the draft. Then it was good fun watching a few guys draft players on IR or cut players, etc. After that, set your lineups and play.

Now you join a league, guys show up with a laptop computer with programs that factor in team histories vs. their opponents for the season, long range weather reports, stacks of magazines, printouts of mock drafts and all bleary-eyed because they stayed up all night reviewing the last-second player deals and injuries & running different trade scenarios.

Me? I still show up with a magazine that I scanned over for a few hours in a couple of weeks before the draft.

Now fantasy football is like another job, winning means everything and losing loses you friends because they act like it's the second coming of Roger Staubach because they won....

I know exactly what you mean! I USED TO enjoy it. Casual, no pressure, strategic but not such pressurized research. One year I had an awesome team built in the workplace fantasy league, and was doing well in the regular season, but when we got to the money round, my three best players AND my defense took a dump on the same day, and I ended up losing to the Receptionist, who picked her team mostly on color schemes! She was one of those trendy “fringe” viewers who actually LIKE the SB halftime shows! Today’s detail-obsessed fantasy players would FREAK if such a player would win with luck like that!

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

OmerV said:
What this post doesn't consider is that Rappers and actors don't have to fit their salary under a salary cap. I think that's why people care as much as they do about what players make. There isn't a salary cap in baseball, so baseball salaries aren't nearly as big a debate topic among fans.

You’re right but that’s on the owners for implementing a Cap. And it’s up to them to make that work , not the players. In turn it publicly places this scrutiny on the players salaries which shouldn’t be in place.

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