Twitter: Cowboys hopeful on a deal

Doomsday101 · Feb 24, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
Terrible comparison, but Brady always took less to remain competitive. But I’m sure he made up the difference elsewhere lol

I get that but really no one else is giving an inch. Players know they get 1 maybe 2 cracks at FA and if you are going to make big money in this game that is whey you must take advantage of it.

dckid · Feb 24, 2021

Rockport said:
So if that's truly what you believe then don't come here a ***** non-stop about something you can't control. It ruins the place for everyone else. I understand the frustration and complaining from time to time, but the constant whining is like those Karen videos on YouTube.

Got it buddy, but Karen videos would more equate to people complaining from your perspective. Why can’t the world be like I say it is? Jerry is perfect, we are America’s team, we have 5 SB’s... when the truth over the past almost 3 decades is totally opposite. I do have suggestions on how to stop the bleeding.
Step1 don’t overpay for a good Qb. The NFL trend 4 years ago was to sign the QB to an oversized contract because he is your QB and seems good. Dak is no different than Wentz, Cousins, Goff. All serviceable in a great system. Without that system they are average at best. Right before our eyes we have seen what has happened to overpaying for a good QB, yet we will do the same thing. Jerry needs to zag while the league Zigs. Smart teams might just try to keep drafting young QB’s until they get a franchise guy and then sign him. There is no harm in getter by a young guy. Dak @ 40 million average is a recipe for failure. Time and time again you can never overpay an elite QB, but you should never pay franchise money to a good Qb.
More NFL lessons later for you buddy.

kskboys · Feb 24, 2021

Aerolithe_Lion said:
This is very different than the Al Davis situation, the guy who offers the contracts, talks to the agents who has no possibility of losing his position due to his comments is saying this stuff.

Never ever ever has a team failed to sign their franchise guy when both sides wanted it to happen. The only parallel here is Cousins in Washington, and it was later revealed that Washington never wanted him.

This is the craziest thing, why is no one acting like this is the craziest thing?

This goes beyond it being the Cowboys, this is all-sports-contract-negotiation unprecedented

Because we've been discussing it now since 2018. Extreme long term attention = monotony.

Typhus · Feb 24, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
Terrible comparison, but Brady always took less to remain competitive. But I’m sure he made up the difference elsewhere lol

Yes,, just ask Gisele.

kskboys · Feb 24, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
I get that but really no one else is giving an inch. Players know they get 1 maybe 2 cracks at FA and if you are going to make big money in this game that is whey you must take advantage of it.

How is 175 mil not big money?

Doomsday101 · Feb 24, 2021

kskboys said:
Market value is a very grey term. It's not necessarily more than what the last guy got. You could easily conclude that market value for QB's who want to win a super bowl is around 25 mil, what Brady got. There are thousands of definitions and many many facets to "market value".

And judging by what we've seen recently w/ Wilson/Goff/Cousins/Tannehill, it looks to me as if they were paid above market value and so market value should now be lowered. It's not a constant, you know.

Brady has mention above did, and I don't expect Dak to get the contract of Mahomes I think he will get around what Deshawn Watson got. If your not willing to pay then just be ready to get a new QB every 3 to 4 years

Whyjerry · Feb 24, 2021

I am hopeful my gray hair will magically turn that beautiful sandy brown again.

Carson · Feb 24, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
I get that but really no one else is giving an inch. Players know they get 1 maybe 2 cracks at FA and if you are going to make big money in this game that is whey you must take advantage of it.

True. But he did make over $50 million alone on endorsements in 2019.

Doomsday101 · Feb 24, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
True. But he did make over $50 million alone on endorsements in 2019.

Dak like others make endorsement money, not near what Mahomes and Rodgers are getting and believe me they are not giving Rodger rates. lol

Verdict · Feb 24, 2021

DFWJC said:
If we get

Smith, Collins, and Martin all back on the line....no longer top 1 or 2, but still top 6-7 in the league

Best 1-2-3 WR group and the league...maybe best group ever for Cowboys

solid 1-2 punch in the run game w/ Zeke and Pollard

there really is no excuse to not score 30/game.....with any above-average (ranked 15 or higher) NFL starting QB. And Dak is at least that, regardless of what some say

Now...about that defense....

I don’t think our OL is at that level anymore

Doomsday101 · Feb 24, 2021

kskboys said:
How is 175 mil not big money?

I agree they are all overpaid so are actors and so are musicians, fact is market value is what it is. Matt Ryan was the top paid QB 3 years ago, he is no longer by a long shot. Like it or not they know they get 1 shot a FA they are going to make what they can because they will likely never get another chance at it. I don't like it but it is what it is.

kskboys · Feb 24, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
Brady has mention above did, and I don't expect Dak to get the contract of Mahomes I think he will get around what Deshawn Watson got. If your not willing to pay then just be ready to get a new QB every 3 to 4 years

Cowboys have tried to pay. Dak refused.

However, that's not what you were referring to. You referred to market value. I do not believe what Deshaun got is market value.
Why do you think we should just pay Dak willynilly w/ no thought to the future or trying to win? I don't understand why you would want to do this? How is 175 mil over 5 years not fair?

Verdict · Feb 24, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
True. But he did make over $50 million alone on endorsements in 2019.

How much value does that have for the player? I think in real dollars being the Cowboys QB factors into the equation.

kskboys · Feb 24, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
I agree they are all overpaid so are actors and so are musicians, fact is market value is what it is. Matt Ryan was the top paid QB 3 years ago, he is no longer by a long shot. Like it or not they know they get 1 shot a FA they are going to make what they can because they will likely never get another chance at it. I don't like it but it is what it is.

I did not say they were overpaid, and I disagree that they are overpaid. Pay is commensurate w/ what the market will bear in a free economy.

Not true at all. Saying market value is what it is doesn't even make sense. Market value can fluctuate, and w/ the lowered cap and huge contracts being dumped, the market value should be going down. Why do you think it shouldn't?

Carson · Feb 24, 2021

Verdict said:
How much value does that have for the player? I think in real dollars being the Cowboys QB factors into the equation.

That’s more so what I was saying. If you’re not Mahomes or Rodgers, he won’t be getting as much attention being the QB in Washington or some other team

Doomsday101 · Feb 24, 2021

kskboys said:
Cowboys have tried to pay. Dak refused.

However, that's not what you were referring to. You referred to market value. I do not believe what Deshaun got is market value.
Why do you think we should just pay Dak willynilly w/ no thought to the future or trying to win? I don't understand why you would want to do this? How is 175 mil over 5 years not fair?

It is how the NFL operates Dallas can either do so as well or they can go back to looking for QB and you can expect every 3 to 4 years a new QB behind center. The focus is on Dallas yet 31 other teams are dealing with the same. If I had my way all players would be paid equal and then given bonus based on incentives they achieved within the year but that is now how the league works. Players regardless of the position look to what the market pays just as DLaw did, just as Cooper did and just as Zeke, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith they all were paid top money for the position. Yet Jerry is called greedy? lol I would also add many who are complaining about Dak pay sure as hell do not mind overpaying in FA market, every year Dallas goes mid level FA not high priced and in many cases over paid FA on the market yet are upset with Dak.

kskboys · Feb 24, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
It is how the NFL operates Dallas can either do so as well or they can go back to looking for QB and you can expect every 3 to 4 years a new QB behind center. The focus is on Dallas yet 31 other teams are dealing with the same. If I had my way all players would be paid equal and then given bonus based on incentives they achieved within the year but that is now how the league works. Players regardless of the position look to what the market pays just as DLaw did, just as Cooper did and just as Zeke, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith they all were paid top money for the position. Yet Jerry is called greedy? lol I would also add many who are complaining about Dak pay sure as hell do not mind overpaying in FA market, every year Dallas goes mid level FA not high priced and in many cases over paid FA on the market yet are upset with Dak.

Calling Jerry greedy concerning contracts is one of the stupidest statement ever stated on this site.

Do you remember when RB's were among the highest paid positions? Why is that no longer so? Easy answer, things change.

W/ the failed contracts of so many QB's, it is actually easily seen that things are changing.

You have this idea that "it is what it is", and your idea is simply not accurate. There is a good chance that your market value is going down. Are you aware what market value even is?

Doomsday101 · Feb 24, 2021

kskboys said:
I did not say they were overpaid, and I disagree that they are overpaid. Pay is commensurate w/ what the market will bear in a free economy.

Not true at all. Saying market value is what it is doesn't even make sense. Market value can fluctuate, and w/ the lowered cap and huge contracts being dumped, the market value should be going down. Why do you think it shouldn't?

So evidently you are not seeing all the other QB getting paid above what the pervious FA QB was paid the year before? As I said players get 1 shot at FA and you are a fool if you walk away with a under market contract. If Dak get his 40 mill that will be seen as mid level money within 2 to 3 years. If he takes lower than within 2 to 3 years he is making below avg money. As for the lower cap? yes this coming season they cap will not remain low not with NFL and their agreement with networks which will see double the price they pay now which is in the billions. The cap is not some 1 year thing nor are these player contract people are looking at just today not 2 to 3 years down the road yet that is how the owners and players see things, not just today but 2 to 3 years down the road

Praxit · Feb 24, 2021

..rock and a hard place. Coming back from injury, can he play? Running around, avoiding 300lb lineman, that's a feat in itself. If I'm Dak, you have to believe you might get the franchise tag.

UNLESS>>>>> they put special clause in that contract, stating should problems occur with leg they can wash their hands and find way out.

quickccc · Feb 24, 2021

Finally seriously attempting to negotiate...I stead of that playing first out chicken, and
" deadline make deals" contract method.

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