Mindblowing Surtain Stat

stilltheguru · Feb 24, 2021

CalPolyTechnique said:
Brilliant.

Just hit sort on the INT column and you get the order of when each corner should be taken, huh?

Lol ok fam. You got it

Cowboyny · Feb 24, 2021

America's Cowboy said:
Very astute and valid points. For this reason, I'll take Farley any day over Surtain.

We need more speed or we will be forced to play more cover 2 shells

cnuball21 · Feb 24, 2021

stilltheguru said:
Meh. Its guys in round 2 with similiar numbers.

This is quite a take

cnuball21 · Feb 24, 2021

CowboysLegend365 said:
While guys are touting Farley for his speed and explosiveness, he is much more of a boom or bust prospect. Very new to the position, not a willing tackler, and has an injury history.

Surtain doesn’t have the quickness Farley possesses but he is one of the most pro-ready players in the draft. He is a technician that doesn’t mind coming up to strike you.

Someone else brought up a great point that playing with the talent Surtain did may have made his job easier so I’m interested in seeing him in more one on one drills. (Which we probably won’t get)

Boom or bust? Based off of what?

In his final season he was in the top 3/5 in coverage grade against power 5 teams, QBR against and snaps per reception. All while showcasing + ball skills.

I agree he needs to improve tackling but he’s an already an elite coverage prospect even being newer to the position.

stilltheguru · Feb 24, 2021

cnuball21 said:
This is quite a take

Why is it quite a take?

Cowboyny · Feb 24, 2021

AsthmaField said:
Surtain is my number 1 corner in this draft. A whole lot of what CB’s do in the NFL is based on technique, smarts, and strength... all things that Surtain is loaded down with.

I think his speed will be fine and you’re really not going to have a 6’1” or taller corner who has the Quicks to stay with a Tyreek Hill or a Cole Beasley, both who can change direction on a dime. Surtain will be playing outside and someone like Brown or Lewis will be playing those guys in the slot most of the time. The Slot corner must have quickness, IMO.

The outside WR’s can be burners (but less quickness) with deep speed but Surtain’s technique can go a long way towards limiting those guys. Besides, you’re going to have a safety over the top almost always if you have a dangerous speed WR running a 9 down the field.

Much of dealing with a guy like Tyreek Hill comes from the coach and their game planning.

Surtain has been playing corner his whole life, basically. The guy is rock solid.

When I watch Surtain, if he's not technically flawless, he struggles. There are going to be speed Wide Receivers on the outside that he is going to face, just in the division we have McLaurin, Slayton, Reagor.

Cowboyny · Feb 24, 2021

cnuball21 said:
Boom or bust? Based off of what?

In his final season he was in the top 3/5 in coverage grade against power 5 teams, QBR against and snaps per reception. All while showcasing + ball skills.

I agree he needs to improve tackling but he’s an already an elite coverage prospect even being newer to the position.

He’s got the size and speed part of the position down pat and was pretty darn good at the coverage part when we last saw him in 2019. He allowed a passer rating of only 26.8 that season.-PFF on Farley.

Beaker42 · Feb 24, 2021

Gaede said:
That's fair. If there were a player on the DL that was worth pick 10, I'd definitely take that player over a CB.

But that player isn't in this draft

Yeah, the year we NEED him to be. We suck and get a high pick but still can’t get a break.

Gaede · Feb 24, 2021

Beaker42 said:
Yeah, the year we NEED him to be. We suck and get a high pick but still can’t get a break.

yeah, tell me about it. When the year was going south, I was crushed to learn that there was no Chase Young in this draft. To be honest, that's why I was totally cool with us winning a couple games and dropping in the draft.

Future · Feb 24, 2021

Beaker42 said:
Yeah, the year we NEED him to be. We suck and get a high pick but still can’t get a break.

There's almost never a DL worth a top-10 pick, especially since teams picking there generally need a QB.

I mean imagine where the Browns, 9ers, Broncos and Skins would be if they'd taken Watson, Mahomes, Josh Allen and Herbert instead of DL.

RS12 · Feb 24, 2021

Trenches. Only thing that matters more is QB.

Carson · Feb 24, 2021

RS12 said:
Trenches. Only thing that matters more is QB.

Thing is though, if you’re forced to pick at 10, nobody is worth that spot there. In a trade down absolutely

I like Slater and I’m no OL scout. But most project hun to be a guard in the NFL

cnuball21 · Feb 24, 2021

Cowboyny said:
He’s got the size and speed part of the position down pat and was pretty darn good at the coverage part when we last saw him in 2019. He allowed a passer rating of only 26.8 that season.-PFF on Farley.

I totally understand Surtain is a technician and is more polished, but the talk about Farley being super raw and boom/bust is insane to me.

Yes, he's young to the position but he has incredible production in his last year and is WAY ahead of schedule in his development for being newer to the position.

DFWJC · Feb 24, 2021

acer941 said:
His Fundamentals & Techniques are......

‘The Best for a DB coming out of College’
Todd McShay has seen since he started Scouting.

Those are his words during the National Championship.

I wonder if the one time was in 2018 when Clemson and Lawrence put up 44 points on them.

J-man · Feb 24, 2021

My 2 cents gives you a few things, I think, they will have to consider when they choose:

1. It may just depend on who they sign in free agency. If they sign an (at least) good, solid every day starting outside CB, I think they should take a shot on the more explosive, higher ceiling Farley. If they don't and need to get a day 1 starter, I think they should take Surtain.
2. Which player is available when they pick? Makes it a much easier decision if only 1 of them is available at 10.
3. And lastly, how do they grade these guys? Is the player available, at least close to the skill level of the other players still on the board? I'm not sure Surtain is in the same grade range of Waddle/Slater/Pitts/Parsons, Farley is closer to those guys to me. But they may have it the other way around depending on how they view the position.
And they are the ones making the selection, so my opinions don't mean doottly squat.

Gaede · Feb 24, 2021

cnuball21 said:
I totally understand Surtain is a technician and is more polished, but the talk about Farley being super raw and boom/bust is insane to me.

Yes, he's young to the position but he has incredible production in his last year and is WAY ahead of schedule in his development for being newer to the position.

Farley's an excellent prospect in his own right. No doubt. But things like an injury history and relative lack of experience are enough to create uncertainty about a guy. Nothing is written in stone, yeah, and Surtain could suddenly flake out for all we know. But most people tend to prefer an extensive resume of excellence vs a short resume of excellence because that excellence is more likely to continue when it's been proven for a longer period of time.

Also, a lot of really talented CBs don't pan out in the NFL, for whatever reason, so I think the extra scrutiny is warranted.

baltcowboy · Feb 24, 2021

acer941 said:
His Fundamentals & Techniques are......

‘The Best for a DB coming out of College’
Todd McShay has seen since he started Scouting.

Those are his words during the National Championship.

Best cornerback by far. Please run a slow 40 so teams will pass on him in front of us. 41 games at Alabama. The guy does not need to work out. Just tell teams look at my tape.

Cowboyny · Feb 24, 2021

cnuball21 said:
I totally understand Surtain is a technician and is more polished, but the talk about Farley being super raw and boom/bust is insane to me.

Yes, he's young to the position but he has incredible production in his last year and is WAY ahead of schedule in his development for being newer to the position.

This is with very little development and experience.

phildadon86 · Feb 24, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
Xavien Howard ran a 4.58. Had 10 picks last season. Gamers can game. 22 career picks

Byron Jones lit up the combine. 2 picks. Diggs had 3

cnuball21 · Feb 24, 2021

Gaede said:
Farley's an excellent prospect in his own right. No doubt. But things like an injury history and relative lack of experience are enough to create uncertainty about a guy. Nothing is written in stone, yeah, and Surtain could suddenly flake out for all we know. But most people tend to prefer an extensive resume of excellence vs a short resume of excellence because that excellence is more likely to continue when it's been proven for a longer period of time.

Also, a lot of really talented CBs don't pan out in the NFL, for whatever reason, so I think the extra scrutiny is warranted.

Sure, if the team does their homework on the dude's injuries and it scares them I'm fine with that.

But he's not the only high quality player that opted out and doesn't have as much tape due to that. Every team has to deal with it. Based off the tape we have and what kind of athlete he is he's CB1 for me and the only dude I think that warrants a top 15ish selection.

Surtain's resume is definitely longer but the concerns don't really have to do with his resume it's about his athleticism.

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