The tag and the elephant in the room

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Exactly. If not for that, I doubt most fans would even care, to be honest.

JMO

Understood . But that should be on the owners who’ve implemented the Cap placing this burden on the players public image.

Instead the perception should be it’s the owners who have burdened the league with Cap restrictions which I’ve argued since its onset it’s watered down the talent pool and depth amongst other issues like placing more value in rookie salaries than seasoned veterans. There’s really nothing good that’s come from the Cap for the game itself.

Diehardblues · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Why blame the player? Blame who made the deal.

I get tired of the insinuation Prescott is hurting the team with his salary demands, no, he is not. No player is responsible for management running their business. Did he had anything to do with the and the Lawrence, Elliott, Cooper or Smith deals?

The game is about the team sport of football but the real game is about every player and coach maxing out their earning potential while they can. They're not taking one for the team, they're taking as much as they can for their families and themselves. Just like every one of us would do.

Tell me, who here is willing to take less so Lawrence can get his 21M and make up really stupid nicknames? Or Smith do that stupid swipe? Or Elliott to fumble and tap out? He got that just wrong, tap out before fumbling.

We spend too much time discussing what other people deserve in the way of compensation. They deserve whatever they can get.

Preach the gospel Coach.

The Cap which the owners implemented is publicly placing pressure on the perception of players salaries not the poor dealings of the owners.

Fla Cowpoke · Feb 23, 2021

I've turned into my parents over the years. No one deserves the amount of money they make to play a sport, make music, be an actor. JMO.

buybuydandavis · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Dak and money:
2019 - Making 2mil with 3mil prior earnings, with 3 years til free agency
2020 - Making 32mil with 5mil prior earnings, with 2 years til free agency
2021 - Making 37mil, with 37mil prior earnings, with 1 year til free agency

Dak took his chances for 2mil with 3mil in the bank.
I don't see him passing up 37mil with 37mil in the bank.

PAPPYDOG · Feb 23, 2021

starfan1 said:
LOL you're gonna need counseling when they sign him. Are you gonna find a new place to troll then? Or are you just going to continue your trolling in the game thread etc? You're a good troll though I get a kick out of you.

Not a troll but happy you're enjoying the show.....

JoeKing · Feb 23, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Let's say they end up tagging Prescott. And let's add that they do not extend Dalton. And they do not draft a QB.

I don't think they have the cap to keep Dalton with tagging Prescott and they won't know prior to the draft what Prescott is going to do. And taking a QB could just exacerbate the situation.

I said last season no way he doesn't show up for 31.4M and no QB has ever been a no show on a tag. It's just not a good image but this is completely different with Prescott.

No QB ever got an injury like that on a tag. I don't recall any player on a tag getting an injury like that. Think the fans and media would be down on him for being a no show or would they be sympathetic to him since the majority of negative backlash was directed at the front office of the team when they failed to get a deal done last season?

This is new ground and on one hand Prescott and his agent want him to show the NFL that he's fully recovered and hasn't lost anything but another season ending injury and what's his worth now? Plus he gets that "injury prone" attachment.

Sure, 37.7M is a huge chunk o change but weighed against a potential of 150M over just the next 4 years and that requires some thought. Then you've got the question of what they do if he is a no show. Both this year and next.

Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Or would you hold out and take your chances with what happens? Now, you are 31.4M richer than you were last year and still have the endorsements unless they bail on you and why would they? All depends on public opinion but I can see a lot of empathetic sports talking heads and they were 90% against the front office after the last failure to sign him.

I wonder if it's even crossed the Joneses' minds that he might be a no show? They for sure know their dealing with a serious dude in his agent and I could see him recommending that Prescott hold out.

So, what would you do? Both as Dak Prescott and the front office.

Dak is not a "no show" guy. If the Cowboys give Dak cause to "no show", he has to treat the 2021season as his audition with the rest of the league for his blockbuster contract in 2022. Someone will give him what he wants if he balls out in 2021. The world is Dak's oyster. All he has to do is do what he loves to do, play ball. One way or another, he's getting paid!

OmerV · Feb 24, 2021

Diehardblues said:
You’re right but that’s on the owners for implementing a Cap. And it’s up to them to make that work , not the players. In turn it publicly places this scrutiny on the players salaries which shouldn’t be in place.

Regardless, the cap still exists, and fans are going to sweat how things will fit together to build as strong a team as possible, so that answers your question about why people care what the players make.

And while it is true the owners/teams have to find a way to make it work, it is fair to note that the owners didn't just implement a salary cap. The players agreed to it in in the collective bargaining process, and they didn't do so without getting concessions for themselves. Accordingly, compromise is a key to making things work, just as it was to reaching a collective bargaining agreement.

Winonesoon · Feb 24, 2021

if you Tag the elephant in the room you better be right. If not its years to recover.

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2021

OmerV said:
Regardless, the cap still exists, and fans are going to sweat how things will fit together to build as strong a team as possible, so that answers your question about why people care what the players make.

And while it is true the owners/teams have to find a way to make it work, it is fair to note that the owners didn't just implement a salary cap. The players agreed to it in in the collective bargaining process, and they didn't do so without getting concessions for themselves. Accordingly, compromise is a key to making things work, just as it was to reaching a collective bargaining agreement.

Of course , but the point is it isn’t the players responsibility to balance the teams Cap budget.

blueblood70 · Feb 24, 2021

so if they are forced to tag Dak, which one will they choose FT or NEFT?

lay some bets down..

if they are smart let dak see his true market, see whos actually willing to go after him for what type of compensation and it will truly help determine if daks worth keeping at what cost...id be very interested in his actual market interest and value..

OmerV · Feb 24, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Of course , but the point is it isn’t the players responsibility to balance the teams Cap budget.

In the post I responded to you just said you didn't care what players make, and seemed to indicate that you didn't understand why others do. That was the context in which I responded - I was just indicating why fans care.

And I agree it isn't the player's responsibility to make the cap work, but they do have to decide what is important to them, and if staying with a particular team is important to them, or building the strongest team possible around them is important, they may have to compromise to get a deal done.

That said, as long as a player doesn't ask for something ridiculously out of touch with what seems to be a fair market range, I don't fault a player if he doesn't view an offer as fair and wants to negotiate a better deal, or even move to another team. All people have a right to try and get what they feel is fair.

Of course, that applies to the teams as well - I don't fault them for trying to negotiate as good a deal as they can as long as they aren't offering something ridiculously below what seems to be fair market value.

LACowboysFan1 · Feb 24, 2021

blueblood70 said:
so if they are forced to tag Dak, which one will they choose FT or NEFT?

lay some bets down..

if they are smart let dak see his true market, see whos actually willing to go after him for what type of compensation and it will truly help determine if daks worth keeping at what cost...id be very interested in his actual market interest and value..

The question to me is how does Jerry see the Cowboys as far as what they are capable of this year. If he thinks they can truly be SB contenders, based on injured players returning, the change in defensive coordinator or whatever, then he'll go with the exclusive tag, after all, barring getting a Brady or Rodgers on the team, how likely is it some new quarterback can just "drop in" and get in sync with the receivers, etc. the first year? I don't think very likely.

On the other hand if he feels the team is another couple of years away, then he'd do the non-exclusive tag, figuring that either he'll have Dak for what he can pay for him, and thus keep his established quarterback, or he'll get 2 top draft picks and can more rapidly re-build, which he'd have to do with a rookie quarterback. Remembering that no rookie quarterback ever won the SB, though a couple have come fairly close. If you go with a rookie, you're taking this year as a learning one and focusing on the team being competitive next year....

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2021

OmerV said:
In the post I responded to you just said you didn't care what players make, and seemed to indicate that you didn't understand why others do. That was the context in which I responded - I was just indicating why fans care.

And I agree it isn't the player's responsibility to make the cap work, but they do have to decide what is important to them, and if staying with a particular team is important to them, or building the strongest team possible around them is important, they may have to compromise to get a deal done.

That said, as long as a player doesn't ask for something ridiculously out of touch with what seems to be a fair market range, I don't fault a player if he doesn't view an offer as fair and wants to negotiate a better deal, or even move to another team. All people have a right to try and get what they feel is fair.

Of course, that applies to the teams as well - I don't fault them for trying to negotiate as good a deal as they can as long as they aren't offering something ridiculously below what seems to be fair market value.

Fans shouldn’t be in a position to pass judgement. The owners ultimately control all contract aspects. If they choose to overpay or not pay it’s on them. Players should not be under any obligation to make it easier for the owners.

The entire situation is slighted towards the players by the fans when it should be on the owners responsibility . I understand what you’re saying. And you’re right. It’s why fans take issues with players contract. But what I’m saying is the fans are misdirecting their anguish. We can’t expect players to manage a 53 man roster Salary Cap. It’s BS . And I’m here to call it out. Thanks Rogers!

Motorola · Feb 24, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Yea, envy is part of it. I think there’s deeper issues though.

But fans and citizens take more issue with an athlete making hundreds of millions over an actor or artist?

It is because fans - and many people in general - still view athletes are just playing "a game". Meanwhile.....what is acting - "make believe \ pretending".

starfan1 · Feb 24, 2021

PAPPYDOG said:
Not a troll but happy you're enjoying the show.....

LOl look up the definition. You are the very definition of internet troll. That said you are a rather amusing one and not typically a horses patoot like some others on here. I think we could share a beer even though we dont share an opinion on said player

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2021

Motorola said:
It is because fans - and many people in general - still view athletes are just playing "a game". Meanwhile.....what is acting - "make believe \ pretending".

Probably right.. but it hasn’t been just a game for decades. It’s entertainment sports.

And these athletic entertainers are on national tv honing their craft just like any other entertainer on TV. It just happens to be football rather than an actor, artist , comedian or other celebrities. It’s past fine time fans start viewing them as such.

Now when I started watching the NFL all of the games weren’t televised . Players were part time athletes most not making enough to support their families without a job during off season.

wrongway · Feb 24, 2021

ninja said:
Let me reiterate. If Jerry tags Dak at $37M, Dak would sign that in one second to make sure Jerry won’t pull the tag at a later date.

Dak can’t pass a physical. Dak can sign the tag and be guaranteed $37M even if he never plays a down next year, or ever. Who wouldn’t sign that?

Tell me when Dak can run, cut, throw and pass a physical. It isn’t before the draft.

That is his plant leg as well.

TwoCentPlain · Feb 24, 2021

wrongway said:
That is his plant leg as well.

Yeah, it is. Be interesting to see when he is cleared to even begin throwing.

LACowboysFan1 · Feb 24, 2021

Motorola said:
It is because fans - and many people in general - still view athletes are just playing "a game". Meanwhile.....what is acting - "make believe \ pretending".

Same thing to me...

Trendnet · Feb 24, 2021

Fla Cowpoke said:
I've turned into my parents over the years. No one deserves the amount of money they make to play a sport, make music, be an actor. JMO.

Deserve has nothing to do with it.

They are paid market rate. Simple as that.

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