News: CW: Leading analytics team makes case for Cowboys letting Prescott walk

conner01 · Feb 24, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
So their position is. The cowboys MAY find better short term success IF they hit on drafting a QB.

wow that insight.

It’s literally the same damn argument we have all been having here for over a year now.

Anyone who actual looks at the odds of drafting an elite QB would know that there are many more misses than hits when it comes to QB
IF is not a strategy
It’s more buying lottery tickets with your house payment and hoping you win something

Nav22 · Feb 24, 2021

CATCH17 said:
Only Rockport thought you exposed me.

I literally posted a video backing what I said.. Elite QBs consistently make the playoffs and you were like nuh uh what bout dat der Drew Breese dur dur dur.

So Drew Brees wasn’t elite, right?

Let’s see if you’re still too cowardly to come out and say it.
:laugh:

Rockport · Feb 24, 2021

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@Reality is a big time troll.

nobody · Feb 24, 2021

Diehardblues said:
There’s no guarantees for a SB either way. But there’s a reason most teams reach for a QB to begin with either in the draft, in a trade or contract extension.

Because you basically have nothing without a Franchise QB with rare exceptions. Dak has proven he’s enough to take a chance on . We’ve had some success reaching the brink of a championship appearance on a couple occasions.

It’s enough to try and build around. We’ve already made other investments around him in supporting cast. We’ve brought in a proven HC to optimize his talent and supporting cast now.

If it doesn’t work out we blow it up in a few years and start over. But this isn’t the time to start over. And I’ll be shocked if our ownership with all the moves they’ve made leading up to this don’t follow suit.

Again, you're completely ignoring the question of how much is too much to pay him. According to your rationale, a blank check is acceptable just because he's a franchise QB. It doesn't matter what talent they can or can't afford after signing him.

There has to be a limit. There's years of evidence showing that teams that pay a QB over a certain percentage of the cap do NOT win SB's. Where is your evidence showing that you can pay a franchise QB exorbitant amounts and have a good shot at winning the big game? How did that work for the Chiefs this past SB? Oh wait, they got STOMPED....and Mahomes contract isn't really all that bad.

School · Feb 24, 2021

DeathMonkey said:
Again, you're completely ignoring the question of how much is too much to pay him. According to your rationale, a blank check is acceptable just because he's a franchise QB. It doesn't matter what talent they can or can't afford after signing him.

There has to be a limit. There's years of evidence showing that teams that pay a QB over a certain percentage of the cap do NOT win SB's. Where is your evidence showing that you can pay a franchise QB exorbitant amounts and have a good shot at winning the big game? How did that work for the Chiefs this past SB? Oh wait, they got STOMPED....and Mahomes contract isn't really all that bad.

Tampa Bay was the 4th highest qb spender in the league in terms of percentage of cap and just won a championship due largely to their defense.

The top 5 teams in the NFC in terms of cap spent on qb were all playoff teams.

ETA: Chiefs were 25th in terms of cap spending on qb because Pat's extension hadn't kicked in yet.

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2021

DeathMonkey said:
Again, you're completely ignoring the question of how much is too much to pay him. According to your rationale, a blank check is acceptable just because he's a franchise QB. It doesn't matter what talent they can or can't afford after signing him.

There has to be a limit. There's years of evidence showing that teams that pay a QB over a certain percentage of the cap do NOT win SB's. Where is your evidence showing that you can pay a franchise QB exorbitant amounts and have a good shot at winning the big game? How did that work for the Chiefs this past SB? Oh wait, they got STOMPED....and Mahomes contract isn't really all that bad.

You’re placing everything on winning Super Bowls when the main objective is contending , then hoping it could lead to a SB.

That might be fans only objective but not owners. While thats the ultimate catch , only one team a year can reach that pinnacle.

Consistently contending is what a Franchise QB delivers and owners objective. That’s what provides hope and interest year after year.

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2021

School said:
Tampa Bay was the 4th highest qb spender in the league in terms of percentage of cap and just won a championship due largely to their defense.

The top 5 teams in the NFC in terms of cap spent on qb were all playoff teams.

ETA: Chiefs were 25th in terms of cap spending on qb because Pat's extension hadn't kicked in yet.

Right . The NFL is a QB league you either have one or looking for one with rare exceptions. It doesn’t guarantee championships but it does consistent relevance .

Look at most of the top contenders every year. What’s the common denominator. They have a Franchise QB .

Final four teams. Brady, Mahomes , Rodgers and Allen. It’s not rocket science. The closer you get to an Elite QB the better your chances are but without a Franchise QB you better have a generational defense.

Aviano90 · Feb 24, 2021

Can we get that Andy Dalton back? He was supposed to finally open running lanes for fat boy 21 and unleash Gallup’s full potential. He will be real cheap and Cowboys fans love cheap contracts.

JoeyBoy718 · Feb 24, 2021

Sydla said:
I’ll be honest, I see both sides of the debate here. Which is why I am completely indifferent as to what happens, if that makes sense.

It doesn't. But I agree.

Diehardblues · Feb 24, 2021

Open up a Dallas paper. Tune in a local radio sports talk , turn on the local TV. The buzz is we should sign Dak. Because he’s enough to try and win with.

And this offense is built to win now. This HC was hired to win now. Tweak the defense as much as we can and see what happens the next couple years.

If it’s more of the last couple years then you can move in another direction with a HC and QB.

GimmeTheBall! · Feb 24, 2021

DeStorm said:
I agree with their end conclusion to move on from Dak, but not to resign internal guys. They should get draft capital AND cap space to build a playoff team on both sides of the ball.

The prudent move on Gallup is to trade him before he is a FA next year. So, Jerry will likely keep him and let him walk for nothing next year.

Always good to see new blood here. Wise blood.

Typhus · Feb 24, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Open up a Dallas paper. Tune in a local radio sports talk , turn on the local TV. The buzz is we should sign Dak. Because he’s enough to try and win with.

And this offense is built to win now. This HC was hired to win now. Tweak the defense as much as we can and see what happens the next couple years.

If it’s more of the last couple years then you can move in another direction with a HC and QB.

So your saying just two more years?

My3Sons · Feb 25, 2021

Proof said:
Their end conclusion was to sign him though lol. It was literally the final sentence.

Did you read these:

1)The article title...
Leading analytics team makes case for Cowboys letting Prescott walk

2) "But they might be able to plug one of the refined rookie quarterback prospects such as Zach Wilson or Mac Jones into their offense and experience similar short-term success. That shift would dramatically lower the team’s floor for the 2020s, but it would also raise its ceiling. Already up against the salary cap, an expensive Prescott extension would accelerate the hemorrhaging of blue-chip free agents that started with Byron Jones last year. By resetting with a rookie quarterback, the Cowboys could retain their other stars and build like the Rams and Eagles from recent seasons, teams that leveraged the cost savings of Jared Goff’s and Carson Wentz’s inexpensive rookie deals into exceptional roster depth and eventual Super Bowl berths."

You are reading the opinion of the author, not that of the analytics team. When you say "their end conclusion", their is the analytics team. That team concludes moving on raises the teams ceiling. The author's opinion has no bearing on what the analytics team's conclusion is.

ghst187 · Feb 25, 2021

CATCH17 said:
You don't need the same production.

You just need to win at the same rate which Dalton proved can be done. We can do a lot better than Dalton.

I don’t agree with this at all. I though Dalton was bad. We are about 8-8 with Dalton max.
Dak is much better. We won’t beat a good team with Dalton. the only debate here to me is what is the better route...sign Dak and go cheap relying on draft vs trade our entire draft to get a top QB and use the money to sign Defense. That I’m not sure about. But I do know Dak is 3-4 wins better than Dalton.

CATCH17 · Feb 25, 2021

ghst187 said:
I don’t agree with this at all. I though Dalton was bad. We are about 8-8 with Dalton max.
Dak is much better. We won’t beat a good team with Dalton. the only debate here to me is what is the better route...sign Dak and go cheap relying on draft vs trade our entire draft to get a top QB and use the money to sign Defense. That I’m not sure about. But I do know Dak is 3-4 wins better than Dalton.

You may have thought Dalton was bad and that’s ok but we were winning games at the same rate..

As far as not beating good teams.... Dak almost never beats good teams.

We can also do better then Dalton for cheaper then Dak.

bigE79 · Feb 25, 2021

CowboysWillRise said:
I see both sides as well. What sucks though is not being able to trade him and get draft capital. The thought of him walking out the doors and not getting some premium picks makes me sick. I also believe once he leaves the rebuild begins and we will have wasted a talented roster. (Offense)

It's been wasted for years...the whole culture of the team must change before anything else does...ware leaves,he wins a superbowl,same with hitch and wilson,bennett...etc

Ranched · Feb 25, 2021

Letting Dak walk prolong any future championships.

Proof · Feb 25, 2021

DeStorm said:
Did you read these:

1)The article title...
Leading analytics team makes case for Cowboys letting Prescott walk

2) "But they might be able to plug one of the refined rookie quarterback prospects such as Zach Wilson or Mac Jones into their offense and experience similar short-term success. That shift would dramatically lower the team’s floor for the 2020s, but it would also raise its ceiling. Already up against the salary cap, an expensive Prescott extension would accelerate the hemorrhaging of blue-chip free agents that started with Byron Jones last year. By resetting with a rookie quarterback, the Cowboys could retain their other stars and build like the Rams and Eagles from recent seasons, teams that leveraged the cost savings of Jared Goff’s and Carson Wentz’s inexpensive rookie deals into exceptional roster depth and eventual Super Bowl berths."

You are reading the opinion of the author, not that of the analytics team. When you say "their end conclusion", their is the analytics team. That team concludes moving on raises the teams ceiling. The author's opinion has no bearing on what the analytics team's conclusion is.

busted, I did get confused. Thanks

nobody · Feb 25, 2021

Diehardblues said:
You’re placing everything on winning Super Bowls when the main objective is contending , then hoping it could lead to a SB.

That might be fans only objective but not owners. While thats the ultimate catch , only one team a year can reach that pinnacle.

Consistently contending is what a Franchise QB delivers and owners objective. That’s what provides hope and interest year after year.

And you keep ignoring the point. How can a team contend if all of the salary cap is investing in too few players? That hurts the team's talent pool overall and leads to a lack of regular contending.

Rayman70 · Feb 25, 2021

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Leading analytics team makes case for Cowboys letting Prescott walk

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hes not walking...AT WORST...he will be tagged and traded. Jerry should be put into a nursing home immediately if he lets him walk this year not getting anything in return.

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