Will the front office finally use a premium pick at FS/DT1?

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Throughout the Marinelli years many of us were frustrated that this team didn't value a high end 1 Tech Defensive Tackle and a Free Safety. We have seen either late day 3 picks or undrafted fa's fill these important positions for years. Both spots are very important in Dan Quinn's scheme, will they finally make it a priority and spend premium picks in these areas?
 

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FS...maybe if the right one was available and Frankly I do not see one worth it in the first round this year and without question not at pick 10 overall.

1 Tech DT

Stephen has said many times that they do not value the one tech DT UNLESS they also have the ability to get to the passer whether that is sacks or pressures. If it is just a run stuffing 1tech DT with no pass rush abilities, they will not invest a high draft picks on them.
 

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Throughout the Marinelli years many of us were frustrated that this team didn't value a high end 1 Tech Defensive Tackle and a Free Safety. We have seen either late day 3 picks or undrafted fa's fill these important positions for years. Both spots are very important in Dan Quinn's scheme, will they finally make it a priority and spend premium picks in these areas?
Need meeting availability and draft position couldn't line up worse for us this year.

They need a capable FS in the worst kind of way.

The FAs at that spot arent worth the money they will get.

This team needs to come away with Moehrig or Grant desperately, but I don't think they will.

We've discussed dealing back from 10, and of course that can't be predicted until we see who is on the board.....but if things end up where the team deals back and makes a S their first selection, I won't be upset.

In fact, if it solves the safety problem finally, I dont even care if they do it at 10 if they can't deal down.

Yeah I know....value and this and that, but if its a matter of solving safety or not, I dont mind at all. See below.


DT is a rotational position and bodies can be found later in the draft, or relatively cheap in FA.

Much more concerned about FS considering the limited options.

They seem to be proud of XWoods, and they will think they are getting a bargain at like 8m a year, meanwhile no other team would pay half that with his tape.

Huge mistake, but that's what this team does.....overrates and overpays their own players, and pats themselves on the back for it...
 

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Need meeting availability and draft position couldn't line up worse for us this year.

They need a capable FS in the worst kind of way.

The FAs at that spot arent worth the money they will get.

This team needs to come away with Moehrig or Grant desperately, but I don't think they will.

We've discussed dealing back from 10, and of course that can't be predicted until we see who is on the board.....but if things end up where the team deals back and makes a S their first selection, I won't be upset.

In fact, if it solves the safety problem finally, I dont even care if they do it at 10 if they can't deal down.

Yeah I know....value and this and that, but if its a matter of solving safety or not, I dont mind at all. See below.


DT is a rotational position and bodies can be found later in the draft, or relatively cheap in FA.

Much more concerned about FS considering the limited options.

They seem to be proud of XWoods, and they will think they are getting a bargain at like 8m a year, meanwhile no other team would pay half that with his tape.

Huge mistake, but that's what this team does.....overrates and overpays their own players, and pats themselves on the back for it...

I’d be sick paying Woods 8m when we could get Williams, Maye or a legit FS for 10-11m
 

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Need meeting availability and draft position couldn't line up worse for us this year.

They need a capable FS in the worst kind of way.

The FAs at that spot arent worth the money they will get.

This team needs to come away with Moehrig or Grant desperately, but I don't think they will.

We've discussed dealing back from 10, and of course that can't be predicted until we see who is on the board.....but if things end up where the team deals back and makes a S their first selection, I won't be upset.

In fact, if it solves the safety problem finally, I dont even care if they do it at 10 if they can't deal down.

Yeah I know....value and this and that, but if its a matter of solving safety or not, I dont mind at all. See below.


DT is a rotational position and bodies can be found later in the draft, or relatively cheap in FA.

Much more concerned about FS considering the limited options.

They seem to be proud of XWoods, and they will think they are getting a bargain at like 8m a year, meanwhile no other team would pay half that with his tape.

Huge mistake, but that's what this team does.....overrates and overpays their own players, and pats themselves on the back for it...
Value increases exponentially w/ need. A good S would improve our D much much more than any TE would improve our O.
 

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FS...maybe if the right one was available and Frankly I do not see one worth it in the first round this year and without question not at pick 10 overall.

1 Tech DT

Stephen has said many times that they do not value the one tech DT UNLESS they also have the ability to get to the passer whether that is sacks or pressures. I**** is just a run stuffing 1tech DT with no pass rush abilities, they will not invest a high draft picks on them.

Neither would I. Of course those guys are rare anyway, so it's not like the Cowboys have multiple chances every year to get one, reaching gets you in trouble...
 

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Where was the value in Fredbeard? Dude took our O to a whole new level. Led the charge to our 13-3 season in 2016.

How in the world do fans get so stuck on this "value" thingie?
 

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Where was the value in Fredbeard? Dude took our O to a whole new level. Led the charge to our 13-3 season in 2016.

How in the world do fans get so stuck on this "value" thingie?

Agreed. But it’s easier to gamble at pick 31 than it is at 10!
 

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I’d be sick paying Woods 8m when we could get Williams, Maye or a legit FS for 10-11m
The numbers are of course a guess, but watch and see if this guy doesn't return for some stupid amount of money.

I don't want him back for the league minimum.

He is a below average player who won't improve. I dont want him here at any price.
 

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The numbers are of course a guess, but watch and see if this guy doesn't return for some stupid amount of money.

I don't want him back for the league minimum.

He is a below average player who won't improve. I dont want him here at any price.

It’s close to what I’m seeing. Ranked No. 50 on PFF’s list of the top 100 unsigned NFL players, Woods is forecast to net a $25 million extension — averaging $6.25 million annually — when the market opens next month.
 

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Need meeting availability and draft position couldn't line up worse for us this year.

They need a capable FS in the worst kind of way.

The FAs at that spot arent worth the money they will get.

This team needs to come away with Moehrig or Grant desperately, but I don't think they will.

We've discussed dealing back from 10, and of course that can't be predicted until we see who is on the board.....but if things end up where the team deals back and makes a S their first selection, I won't be upset.

In fact, if it solves the safety problem finally, I dont even care if they do it at 10 if they can't deal down.

Yeah I know....value and this and that, but if its a matter of solving safety or not, I dont mind at all. See below.


DT is a rotational position and bodies can be found later in the draft, or relatively cheap in FA.

Much more concerned about FS considering the limited options.

They seem to be proud of XWoods, and they will think they are getting a bargain at like 8m a year, meanwhile no other team would pay half that with his tape.

Huge mistake, but that's what this team does.....overrates and overpays their own players, and pats themselves on the back for it...

I would look to trade up using our 2nd rd pick and our 3rd rd comp. Chart says it gets us to the top of rd 2, one of the safeties should be there. Will the Cowboys do that? I highly doubt it.
 

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I would look to trade up using our 2nd rd pick and our 3rd rd comp. Chart says it gets us to the top of rd 2, one of the safeties should be there. Will the Cowboys do that? I highly doubt it.
I agree.

That's why I've mentioned lets approach it a different way.....move back from 10.

Of course that isn't up to only Dallas.

I just can't see them making getting a safety a priority, which is why they don't ever get one.

Curious....are you a big Maye fan? I'm lukewarm on him. He seems to get a ton of love on this board, but I don't think they see or hear about him as much as we might.

I just think the guys in the league that are gettable are way overpriced, so the only way to fix safety is in rounds 1 or 2 of the draft.
 

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Throughout the Marinelli years many of us were frustrated that this team didn't value a high end 1 Tech Defensive Tackle and a Free Safety. We have seen either late day 3 picks or undrafted fa's fill these important positions for years. Both spots are very important in Dan Quinn's scheme, will they finally make it a priority and spend premium picks in these areas?
yes yes yes yes....I hope so.how I wish we would have picked Thornhill over Hill....
 

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I agree.

That's why I've mentioned lets approach it a different way.....move back from 10.

Of course that isn't up to only Dallas.

I just can't see them making getting a safety a priority, which is why they don't ever get one.

Curious....are you a big Maye fan? I'm lukewarm on him. He seems to get a ton of love on this board, but I don't think they see or hear about him as much as we might.

I just think the guys in the league that are gettable are way overpriced, so the only way to fix safety is in rounds 1 or 2 of the draft.
I have seen Maye a lot here in NY, not a big fan, although had his best season when Adams departed. The Safety that I really like is Marcus Williams from the Saints. I don't think any high level fa starter will be on the Cowboys radar. Let's hope they get aggressive in the draft and find a way to land either Moehrig or Grant.
 

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I have seen Maye a lot here in NY, not a big fan, although had his best season when Adams departed. The Safety that I really like is Marcus Williams from the Saints. I don't think any high level fa starter will be on the Cowboys radar. Let's hope they get aggressive in the draft and find a way to land either Moehrig or Grant.
Thats what I mean....the guys available aren't worth what they are going to be paid on the open market.

Yet if other things fall into their lap (say Sewell at 10), the top two are gone before 44.....then its a guy who may or may not even suit up at best.

I'm sure the team runs through these scenarios and why I'm convinced Woods will be resigned.

I seriously don't want that guy at league minimum.
 
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