The assumption of a better GM

PAPPYDOG · Feb 23, 2021

Nice to have a Job you cannot be fired from........

Aviano90 · Feb 23, 2021

Jerry would still have control over any GM he would hire. Nothing would change.

JackOfNoTrades · Feb 23, 2021

Risen Star said:
It doesn't matter who he hires to replace himself. It only matters that the GM position with the Cowboys is one you must earn to get and produce to retain. That is the single biggest improvement this team could ever make and there isn't a close 2nd. We're arguing over interior decorating while the foundation keeps shifting.

there's a common denominator here......

Hoofbite · Feb 23, 2021

Risen Star said:
It doesn't matter who he hires to replace himself. It only matters that the GM position with the Cowboys is one you must earn to get and produce to retain. That is the single biggest improvement this team could ever make and there isn't a close 2nd. We're arguing over interior decorating while the foundation keeps shifting.

Curtains are nice though, gotta admit.

irving · Feb 25, 2021

25 plus years of winning nothing of note and some posters feel the team could do worse than Jerry. That’s not possible because no other GM will be given 25 years to fail.

Cebrin · Feb 25, 2021

CouchCoach said:
The majority of us want the owner to hire a GM and turn it over to him, at least that's my take.

There are others that want him to step down and turn it over to his son, which defies all known logic to me....and mankind.

But let's say he does decide to hire a GM. Is he going to hire one better than he's been or one worse? His ego is tied up with his team. Another's success accentuates his failure.

Who do you think might have been his first one he hired? Larry Lacewell? Hiring friends is as bad as hiring family.

Look at who Snyder turned his team over to in the beginning, that Sopranos cat Vinny Cerrato, the Lions let Matt Millen sink their ship and Snyder upped his play when he hired a drunk as his GM who promptly got hammered in the coaches booth, got kicked out and ended up in the press box and fired.

We're beginning to see turnover at the GM level that rivals HC's and does the owner's hiring of HC's give us a clue as to his hiring of a GM?

Be careful of what you wish for and before anyone writes they couldn't do any worse, oh yes, they could do a lot worse.

Our two best hopes are that 1) he finally gets it, begins working full time and is able to be a top rate GM or 2) we get lucky. I am not so sure I would hope that he hire a GM.

My main problem with him as GM is that he can't separate himself professionally from Owner & GM. It creates a giant problem when evaluating talent, and contracts when feelings are involved.

Screw The Hall · Feb 25, 2021

Risen Star said:
But if he held that GM accountable and would replace him with another if results warrant it then it's a better system than going into a 26th season with a GM who's 0 for 25.

I'll take a revolving door of candidates hoping to hit on one than a proven failure till death do we part.

And you can start with Troy Aikman. If he succeeds anywhere else as a GM, I’ll have nightmares for the rest of my life about “what should have been.”

He’s the perfect “straight off the vine” candidate for this franchise. That dynamic only comes around once in a lifetime and it is going to be wasted because of Jerry.

plasticman · Feb 25, 2021

Dan Reeves, to answer your question.

Like a junkie in rehab, Jerry hired Dan Reeves in an advisory capacity and then relapsed into reprimanding him for not adhering to a strict clock-in-like schedule. Dan quit the next day. In the fantasy scenario where Jerry would have reversed his narcissistic personality, Dan Reeves would have been a good choice.

fivetwos · Feb 25, 2021

ninja said:
Yeah, yeah, it is all about the ring. 25 Years and counting. Blah, blah, blah. If that is your sole measuring stick then continue on with your complaining.

I wouldnt say its only about that.

Not as if they've gone to SBs and lost.

Not as if they went to a few NFC title games and lost.

They were only competitive after the WC round three times in those 25 years....obviously they are 0-3, with two blown one seeds.

Its not all about the ring. Its about never having the proper leadership to get us past the second round.

CouchCoach · Feb 25, 2021

ninja said:
Lions owner Sheila Ford Hamp getting involved in FA and personnel decisions. And you people complained about owner Jerry getting involved. I don’t think she has ever played the game before.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...p-involved-in-personnel-free-agency-meetings/

I’m picturing the three Beetles looking at Yoko in the studio and biting their tongues.

LOL at the Yoko part but "involved" can have different levels. It's her first year as the sole owner, she might just be an observer and her GM is new so that is understandable that she'd want to know what's going on. I doubt she will have near the involvement that Booger has.

I do think every owner has a certain involvement, particularly when they're going to owners' meetings but unless it's a family owned business like CIN, DAL, DET, AZ, PIT and NYG, it's an investment for most. But a fun investment. You buy a chicken farm, you don't want to go hang out in the coop but football is exciting and just filled with big burly men.

TwoCentPlain · Feb 25, 2021

Screw The Hall said:
And you can start with Troy Aikman. If he succeeds anywhere else as a GM, I’ll have nightmares for the rest of my life about “what should have been.”

He’s the perfect “straight off the vine” candidate for this franchise. That dynamic only comes around once in a lifetime and it is going to be wasted because of Jerry.

What makes Aikman the perfect candidate for GM? What are the traits for a successful GM? Aikman have any experience working with scouts? No. Any experience with the cap? No. Any experience filling a roster? No. Any experience working a draft? No. Any experience with negotiating trades? No.

Aikman brings absolutely nothing to the table as GM. Aikman isn’t even a good announcer.

CouchCoach · Feb 25, 2021

plasticman said:
Dan Reeves, to answer your question.

Like a junkie in rehab, Jerry hired Dan Reeves in an advisory capacity and then relapsed into reprimanding him for not adhering to a strict clock-in-like schedule. Dan quit the next day. In the fantasy scenario where Jerry would have reversed his narcissistic personality, Dan Reeves would have been a good choice.

That hire was the most puzzling one since Booger bought the team. Mainly because of your avatar. Reeves was a big Landry fan and the reason he went into coaching, pissed me off when he joined the Cowboys and made me happy when he quit.

TwoCentPlain · Feb 25, 2021

CouchCoach said:
LOL at the Yoko part but "involved" can have different levels. It's her first year as the sole owner, she might just be an observer and her GM is new so that is understandable that she'd want to know what's going on. I doubt she will have near the involvement that Booger has.

I do think every owner has a certain involvement, particularly when they're going to owners' meetings but unless it's a family owned business like CIN, DAL, DET, AZ, PIT and NYG, it's an investment for most. But a fun investment. You buy a chicken farm, you don't want to go hang out in the coop but football is exciting and just filled with big burly men.

I can assure you nobody wants her there. She provides nothing of value and her input is only on final approval for contracts. All she will do is get in the way and cause others to act differently than if she weren’t there.

GMO415 · Feb 25, 2021

Jerry would probably hire JG or Aikman. Both graduated from top Universities and have a good football mind. JG learned under Jimmy Johnson and Nick Saban. He would be the front runner.

Creeper · Feb 25, 2021

Future said:
I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

I think Jerry as GM qualifies for the old saying, if you repeat the same thing over and over again expecting a different result you are insane. It is time to try something different. Maybe a new GM is no better than Jerry. But what we do know is with Jerry we will get the same result year after year. Maybe we get lucky and a new GM actually makes a few right moves and improves the result. We'll never know unless they try it.

Montanalo · Feb 25, 2021

The best analogy to explain Jerry Jones is the US Congress -- no term limits, limited accountability, essentially a job for life, the limelight, notoriety . Why would Jones, or the congress for that matter, leave his position when there are fundamentally no repercussions?

Future · Feb 25, 2021

Creeper said:
I think Jerry as GM qualifies for the old saying, if you repeat the same thing over and over again expecting a different result you are insane. It is time to try something different. Maybe a new GM is no better than Jerry. But what we do know is with Jerry we will get the same result year after year. Maybe we get lucky and a new GM actually makes a few right moves and improves the result. We'll never know unless they try it.

This is silly. Jerry has changed his approach on how to build the team, and what the team should look like, multiple times. The team was built and approached differently from Parcells to Wade, Wade to JG, and now JG to McCarthy. None of those teams were constructed the same and Jerry always builds to what his coaches and personnel ppl want. That's what every GM should do.

75boyz · Feb 25, 2021

fivetwos said:
I wouldnt say its only about that.

Not as if they've gone to SBs and lost.

Not as if they went to a few NFC title games and lost.

They were only competitive after the WC round three times in those 25 years....obviously they are 0-3, with two blown one seeds.

Its not all about the ring. Its about never having the proper leadership to get us past the second round.

Uh...yeah. The bar has officially slipped to an all time low. Just making the playoffs as a wildcard qualifies as an attaboy nowadays. Even when almost half of the league's teams now qualify every year, lol.

Outstanding post.

Hypotenoose · Feb 25, 2021

Future said:
For the 5,000th time, the 25 year cutoff is absolutely stupid. You can take a 25-year period for just about every franchise and say the exact same thing. How many GMs have the job for 6 years and win 3 Super Bowls? What is the actual difference between having 1 GM, with a track record of winning Super Bowls, and recycling through them to the same effect?

Idk what this last line means, you're the one who is looking for another scapegoat.

It’s not stupid, it’s rational and plausible. It’s called two different distributions. The first is a conditional distribution conditioned on the event that Jimmy Johnson is running the team. The second is conditioned on the even that he is not. I’ll give you the Switzer year in good faith. 1 for 26. Jerry has been atop the Cowboys GM role since Jimmy left, but not before. You know this. I know this. Any other admission is disingenuous. Maybe you are by nature a contrarian. I don’t know any Cowboys fans that are both staunch supporters of Dak and Jerry Jones. We’ve won less than a handful of playoff games since 1996. Name another GM presently employed with any period of their career with that lack of success. Actually, name any GM in the history of any professional sport, anywhere in the world, presently employed or not meeting that requirement.

zrinkill · Feb 25, 2021

As long as Jerry is alive it won't matter who is GM because Jerry will make the final decision anyway.

Best we could hope for is all the skeletons fall out of his closet, and this new Woke NFL forces him to sell the team.

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