Video: Arrington: Cowboys won't regret passing on long-term contract with Dak Prescott

TheMarathonContinues

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Due to a season ending injury. Had he not gotten hurt he leads that Eagles team to the SB or are we going to pretend that he didn't play most of the season and actually allow that team to make it to the playoffs?
Are we going to pretend that without him the team still went on to win a Super Bowl? So if they won a Super Bowl without him.....how much credit should I give him for playing on a Super Bowl talent team?
 

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I'm in a discussion with rocyaice....he claims "dak is winning despite the team".

That's the kind of mentality we're dealing with here.

I'm with other people who say they are neither for nor against this contract talk. But any discussion has to include reasonable rational logic...on both sides. Dak put up some numbers...but didn't really "win". But of course not necessarily his fault. But....he must take the losses just the same.

He CLEARLY isn't "winning games". But people have lost their minds...on both sides.
If that's in fact what he said, then I agree with you, but the way you worded your post seemed to go to the opposite extreme as if the losses were all on Dak.

Ultimately the win loss record is what it is - no player can win or lose more than the team does, so I agree with your comment that Dak, as with all players, have to take the losses even in games were his play wasn't necessarily a big part of why the team lost.
 

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Well I mean if wins was all you got paid for then yeah I'd agree with you. But there is more you take into account. Youth, ceiling, skill, leadership......

Well, you brought his record so we both agree he has not done anything since 2016 to warrant a lucrative new deal. As for your reference to leadership, his teammates state his possesses that....as for youth, he will be 28 in July so time is ticking away which impacts his ceiling as how much more growth will he do coming off a severe ankle injury which subsequently impacts his skill.
 

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Check your history before making a claim:

Carson Wentz actually started the playoff game in 2019 but got hurt early on so your claim that he never played in a playoff game is actually inaccurate.

AS IN A WHOLE GAME? Did you not see my sentence that you JUST QUOTED that said "he hasn't even finished a playoff quarter"?

You Wentz fans will stoop as low as him playing almost a whole quarter and saying he's played in a playoff game. Y'all will stoop too low lol. Its the loyalty for me lol.
 

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AS IN A WHOLE GAME? Did you not see my sentence that you JUST QUOTED that said "he hasn't even finished a playoff quarter"?

You Wentz fans will stoop as low as him playing almost a whole quarter and saying he's played in a playoff game. Y'all will stoop too low lol. Its the loyalty for me lol.

Who said I was a Wentz fan simply because I was correcting your initial inaccuracy? That is just making a piss poor presumption.
 

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He has progressively gotten worse. He has trouble reading defenses, accuracy issues, coming off very bad injury. I will say he can read a soft or prevent D. He is an average QB and not one that you overpay.
I don't see how he has progressively gotten worse - there really isn't any evidence to support that. His yardage and TDs have all increased over time without negatively affecting his efficiency.

I think the accuracy thing is overblown as well. As with any QB there is an occasional pass that leave a fan scratching their head, and there have been games where he has had a little trouble throwing a little behind a receiver on a crossing pattern, but that isn't nearly the problem some make it out to be. I think it's a habit of fans to see something happen occasionally and project it as a consistent thing. In the past some have brushed off the fact Dak typically has a high completion % and QBR and passer rating by saying he just throws dink and dunk passes, and the reality is that Dak is passing more, and throwing downfield more, and putting up bigger totals and still maintaining high completion %, QBR and passer rating. And that's with receivers that have had at or near the highest drop % the last 2 years.

As for the injury, I get that as a concern, but ultimately all the team can do is go by what the doctors and trainers tell them.
 
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I do not consider anyone on this site to be a "hater", but many of these posters are 100% biased. They will lie and say, "I like Dak, and it has nothing to do with him", but in the same breath laud another lesser QB. Most of the QB's they compare to Dak, are either on par with him, or less talented. Why can't Dak, just be greatful to live in America, and play for free, lol.
Oh I know. I don't buy that crap. Usually when a person starts a sentence off with "I like Dak"....they are about to say something contradictory and stupid to follow it up with. These same people are arguing with me that Goff and Wentz are worth their contracts but Dak should take 10 million less....smh.
 

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Who said I was a Wentz fan simply because I was correcting your initial inaccuracy? That is just making a piss poor presumption.
You have to be if you missed me saying "he hasn't even finished a playoff quarter" and he hasn't. You corrected something that didn't need to be corrected I'm well aware of when he got hurt in the 1st quarter of that 2019 playoff game by Jadaveon Clowney. That doesn't constitute as playing a playoff game.
 

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Oh I know. I don't buy that crap. Usually when a person starts a sentence off with "I like Dak"....they are about to say something contradictory and stupid to follow it up with. These same people are arguing with me that Goff and Wentz are worth their contracts but Dak should take 10 million less....smh.

Maybe, Dak should have been a runningback or receiver.
 

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Tony Romo prior to signing the lucrative extension (2006-2012...7 seasons)

93 Games 55 Wins 38 Losses .591 Win % 2,097 for 3,240 Comp % 64.7 25,737 Yards 177 TD's 91 INT's Playoff Record 1-3


By way of comparison, here are Dak Prescott's career numbers:

69 Games 40 Wins 27 Losses ..597 Win % 1,514 for 2,293 Comp % 66% 17,634 Yards 106 TD's 40 INT's Playoff Record 1-2


So, given the similar win % and statistics, the argument can be made that Dak would be overpaid too. Furthermore, given Romo's deal made him on average the 11th best paid quarterback in the league, and based on 2020 quarterback contracts, Dak should be looking at around $25.4M.....in other words right around what Carson Wentz is making.
Dak most definitely would be overpaid too. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that Dak is overpaid but Romo wasn't. That wasn't the case. And if you think he's looking for 25 million or worth that then like I said above you are a goof. But I don't think you actually believe that. I'm not sure what game you are playing right now honestly.
 

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You have to be if you missed me saying "he hasn't even finished a playoff quarter" and he hasn't. You corrected something that didn't need to be corrected I'm well aware of when he got hurt in the 1st quarter of that 2019 playoff game by Jadaveon Clowney. That doesn't constitute as playing a playoff game.

He played in a playoff game and suffered a head injury....hence it constitutes playing in a playoff game but you keep making your assumptions.
 

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Why anybody would believe any of the "reports" never ceases to amaze.

Because people desperately want to believe a certain narrative and there's something for everyone from the media. On this very board we have threads from media heads that say Dak ain't worth it and we're in a thread that says Dak will be worth it. All of it is meant to stir emotions and play ping pong with the 2 sides of an argument. In today's "everyone is out to get me" conspiracy generation, this works great because you only need to show people what they hate to get them riled up and do so as you agree with them to enhance confirmation bias and make them think their point of view is the underdog significant one. People take that and do the rest to remain staunchly in their stances but then are even more triggerable when convenient. Wash, rinse, repeat. The media always wins, even with the people who tell you to beware of the media. Lol.
 

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Dak most definitely would be overpaid too. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that Dak is overpaid but Romo wasn't. That wasn't the case. And if you think he's looking for 25 million or worth that then like I said above you are a goof. But I don't think you actually believe that. I'm not sure what game you are playing right now honestly.

Is there a reason for the childish name calling? I thought Romo should not have been given that extension just like I think Dak should not be extended.
 

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Tony Romo prior to signing the lucrative extension (2006-2012...7 seasons)

93 Games 55 Wins 38 Losses .591 Win % 2,097 for 3,240 Comp % 64.7 25,737 Yards 177 TD's 91 INT's Playoff Record 1-3


By way of comparison, here are Dak Prescott's career numbers:

69 Games 40 Wins 27 Losses ..597 Win % 1,514 for 2,293 Comp % 66% 17,634 Yards 106 TD's 40 INT's Playoff Record 1-2


So, given the similar win % and statistics, the argument can be made that Dak would be overpaid too. Furthermore, given Romo's deal made him on average the 11th best paid quarterback in the league, and based on 2020 quarterback contracts, Dak should be looking at around $25.4M.....in other words right around what Carson Wentz is making.
Carson Wentz contract extension is not making him $25 million/year - that number only applies when you spread the extension dollars over both the remaining years on his rookie contract plus the 4 years gained by the extension. What the team paid to get the 4 additional years is much higher. I think it was around $32-33 million/year.

The Cowboys problem comes from the fact they didn't sign Dak to an extension before his rookie contract expired, therefore they didn't get the same benefit Philly did of being able to spread the cap hit over more years. That's why the Cowboys want 5 years instead of the 4 years Goff and Wentz got with their extensions.
 

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Then the Cowboy should also have let Romo walk too when he asked for elite money.

You and a few others always come back to Romo. I'm not sure what he did or didn't do to you to make you dislike him, and honestly I don't care. What I want to know is, how did that work out? Did we win anything with a QB making top money? Are the Cowboys not allowed to learn from past mistakes? If you can't field a playoff team with Dak making rookie contract money, how in the world do you think they are going to do it paying Dak what he seems to be asking for?
 

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Well I mean if wins was all you got paid for then yeah I'd agree with you. But there is more you take into account. Youth, ceiling, skill, leadership......

What else are we supposed to take into account? The offense had one of the worst redzone efficiency in 2019.
 

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Are we going to pretend that without him the team still went on to win a Super Bowl? So if they won a Super Bowl without him.....how much credit should I give him for playing on a Super Bowl talent team?

Sure, they needed him to get to the playoffs. Are we going to pretend like the regular season doesn't count? That what we are doing here?
 

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I disagree. I'd rather pay Dak 40 and a rookie running back 4 million a year than I would paying Zeke 15 million. Love Zeke but just doesn't make sense to me.
you living in an alternate universe with time machine? cant go back ghomie..so we have a RB already paid and Daks not worth 40 TOO LATE so given REALTY as it is today dak get 35 or asta lavista

I wont be back Dak ((Arnolds voice)))
 
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