What we should learn from this game

CowboysExchange said:

If they are gonna play every passing snap then yes it is a requirement!!!!

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lol - for the sake of fabricating an argument you responded as if I had said a strong TE wasn't required at all - I said it isn't the sole requirement but why should you be fair minded in your responses if doing so doesn't fit your narrative.

By the way, lest you have had your head in the sand for decades, It has never been uncommon for teams to have a TE on the field almost every down, and the SB winning team has not always had an elite TE.

3 years ago the Pats won in a season Gronk only had 682 yards and 3 TDs - not much different than Schultz 615 yards and 4 TD's this year. And the Pats didn't have the quality of WRs outside of Edleman to throw to that the Cowboys have. Of course, for that matter, Gronk wasn't elite this season either. He had a big SB, but otherwise it was a very ordinary season, and he didn't do much in the playoffs to help them get to the SB. Gronk hasn't had an elite season since 2017.

A couple of years before that the Broncos won with their lead TE having 517 yards and 3 TDs. Seattle won with their lead TE having 387 yards and 5 TDs.

Again, there is no one way, and it's ludicrous for you to think you have it all figured out 80% of the NFL doesn't get it. Besides, the Kelce's and Gronk in his prime type players aren't just there to snatch up by any team that wants them anyway.

OmerV said:

lol - for the sake of fabricating an argument you responded as if I had said a strong TE wasn't required at all - I said it isn't the sole requirement but why should you be fair minded in your responses if doing so doesn't fit your narrative.

By the way, lest you have had your head in the sand for decades, It has never been uncommon for teams to have a TE on the field almost every down, and the SB winning team has not always had an elite TE.

3 years ago the Pats won in a season Gronk only had 682 yards and 3 TDs - not much different than Schultz 615 yards and 4 TD's this year. And the Pats didn't have the quality of WRs outside of Edleman to throw to that the Cowboys have. Of course, for that matter, Gronk wasn't elite this season either. He had a big SB, but otherwise it was a very ordinary season, and he didn't do much in the playoffs to help them get to the SB. Gronk hasn't had an elite season since 2017.

A couple of years before that the Broncos won with their lead TE having 517 yards and 3 TDs. Seattle won with their lead TE having 387 yards and 5 TDs.

Again, there is no one way, and it's ludicrous for you to think you have it all figured out 80% of the NFL doesn't get it. Besides, the Kelce's and Gronk in his prime type players aren't just there to snatch up by any team that wants them anyway.

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Gronk took a year off and it took awhile to get back in form but he made it to the Superbowl and he scored 2 early tds. He may not be as good as kelce but he was still drawing double teams in the Superbowl. He makes plays when it Matters. Kelce dropped balls in the Superbowl might I Add.

Your comparing Our tes production against scrub teams w single coverage in blowout games to Giants against Gronk being doubled against elite teams in the Superbowl. Your comparing Gronk to these losers who only take what the defense gives them. Lmao. Your gonna argue that any of these Tes could produce against a double team or make a game winning catch? Lol. Well we'll never know because a Cowboy te hasn't drawn a top defender much less a double team in 20 years Rogers. Nor have they had 2-3 game winning catches. And if they did it was against a losing team. This Everydown Te system is trash bro when you got a te who can't draw a top defender or a double team. Kellen winslow could come out of retirement and show our scrubs tes up.

Did they get 9-10 tds like you said?
Did they get past 8-8?
Did they save any games or do anything that mattered?
Did they draw any double teams or top defenders?
Noooooooooo!
Lay down the crack pipe bro! You been talking about how great this te core is and they haven't done jack squat that a 350 lb olineman couldn't playing all those snaps. Lmao.

Pigs will fly before we win squat with these scrubs. We got the nfls worst red zone offense forever because our tes only have 4 tds a year playing 135% of the snaps.

CowboysExchange said:

Gronk took a year off and it took awhile to get back in form but he made it to the Superbowl and he scored 2 early tds. He may not be as good as kelce but he was still drawing double teams in the Superbowl. He makes plays when it Matters. Kelce dropped balls in the Superbowl might I Add.

Your comparing Our tes production against scrub teams w single coverage in blowout games to Giants against Gronk being doubled against elite teams in the Superbowl. Your comparing Gronk to these losers who only take what the defense gives them. Lmao. Your gonna argue that any of these Tes could produce against a double team or make a game winning catch? Lol. Well we'll never know because a Cowboy te hasn't drawn a top defender much less a double team in 20 years Rogers. Nor have they had 2-3 game winning catches. And if they did it was against a losing team. This Everydown Te system is trash bro when you got a te who can't draw a top defender or a double team. Kellen winslow could come out of retirement and show our scrubs tes up.

Did they get 9-10 tds like you said?
Did they get past 8-8?
Did they save any games or do anything that mattered?
Did they draw any double teams or top defenders?
Noooooooooo!
Lay down the crack pipe bro! You been talking about how great this te core is and they haven't done jack squat that a 350 lb olineman couldn't playing all those snaps. Lmao.

Pigs will fly before we win squat with these scrubs. We got the nfls worst red zone offense forever because our tes only have 4 tds a year playing 135% of the snaps.

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Gronkowski didn't have an elite season the year before he retired - and the PAts won the Super Bowl. Accordingly your claim that he was elite except for taking a year off doesn't hold water, nor does your goofy suggestion that he finally shook the rust off 19 games into the season just on Super Bowl day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Gronk isn't still a good receiver, but he was not elite over the season or the playoffs. He was elite in 2 games all season, so it wasn't the TE that made the difference.

I find it funny you completely ignore examples of teams that won without an elite TE. It just shows you refuse to see anything but what you want to see. What you are seeing is names like Gronkowski and Kelce in the last few Super Bowls and claiming that represents all modern Super Bowls, and what every team has to have to find success. It doesn't - it just represents what you want to see and your refusal to look at more than a very narrow view of the game.

Others have claimed in the past that this position or that scheme is the only way to win, and it always proves to be untrue. As always, there is no one way only, and the team that puts together the best overall team, and is playing well right time is who wins, not just one particular position.

dckid said:

Forget Brady, Arians & Todd Bowles.
The thing to realize is the franchise with the worst winning % in league history has two SB wins since the Cowboys have even made a championship game.
Our fans cry about tanking, rebuilding, getting worst to get better. I would take 20 years of Tampa vs the 20 years of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Good point
And it hurts

I learned that if I squint really hard, I can read the small print on the eye test chart.

I learned if you pay dak more he will win more games. lmao, yep that's how it works.

OmerV said:

Gronkowski didn't have an elite season the year before he retired - and the PAts won the Super Bowl. Accordingly your claim that he was elite except for taking a year off doesn't hold water, nor does your goofy suggestion that he finally shook the rust off 19 games into the season just on Super Bowl day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Gronk isn't still a good receiver, but he was not elite over the season or the playoffs. He was elite in 2 games all season, so it wasn't the TE that made the difference.

I find it funny you completely ignore examples of teams that won without an elite TE. It just shows you refuse to see anything but what you want to see. What you are seeing is names like Gronkowski and Kelce in the last few Super Bowls and claiming that represents all modern Super Bowls, and what every team has to have to find success. It doesn't - it just represents what you want to see and your refusal to look at more than a very narrow view of the game.

Others have claimed in the past that this position or that scheme is the only way to win, and it always proves to be untrue. As always, there is no one way only, and the team that puts together the best overall team, and is playing well right time is who wins, not just one particular position.

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In that Superbowl 2 years ago he caught what was pretty much the game winning catch at the 2 yard line while being triple Teamed. He played hurt all year.

He retired because he was hurt and Ne didn't have any good receivers besides Eddleman.

He's healed up. He'll get a training camp and put up 8+ tds drawing top defenders w Double and Triple teams next year and you'll still be comparing his production to witten, jarwin, Schultz, Swaim and the rest of our 4 TD a year te core with 1 playoff td in 20 years.

Just like you have for 6+ years in this Forum. Lmao. You the scrub te Narc for Jerry

Furboy said:

Yeah, that was the other problem. The Chiefs were one dimensional. I was saying on my pregame stream that the Chiefs needed to run the ball.

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Just spell Chiefs .. Shiefs just once,,, go on I dare you.
The grammar police will be on you like flies on chit.

OmerV said:

Gronkowski didn't have an elite season the year before he retired - and the PAts won the Super Bowl. Accordingly your claim that he was elite except for taking a year off doesn't hold water, nor does your goofy suggestion that he finally shook the rust off 19 games into the season just on Super Bowl day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Gronk isn't still a good receiver, but he was not elite over the season or the playoffs. He was elite in 2 games all season, so it wasn't the TE that made the difference.

I find it funny you completely ignore examples of teams that won without an elite TE. It just shows you refuse to see anything but what you want to see. What you are seeing is names like Gronkowski and Kelce in the last few Super Bowls and claiming that represents all modern Super Bowls, and what every team has to have to find success. It doesn't - it just represents what you want to see and your refusal to look at more than a very narrow view of the game.

Others have claimed in the past that this position or that scheme is the only way to win, and it always proves to be untrue. As always, there is no one way only, and the team that puts together the best overall team, and is playing well right time is who wins, not just one particular position.

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The cowboys te core gets the worst defender or blanket coverage because they suck and they still only get 4 tds a year against scrub teams in blowout games playing every single snap.

Our tes aren't a threat so all emphasis by the opposing defense goes towards the other 5 skilled players. They want our losing tes to catch balls because they can't score. Lmao. Plus they never make a big play or score when it MATTERS.

CAN THESE TES LEAD US TO A SUPERBOWL? NO WAY BRO.

4 tds between 3 guys against scrub defenders when they fall down versus Gronk dragging 3 top defenders triple teamed and he still putting up more production. That's your comparison ??? Lmao

Typhus said:

Just spell Chiefs .. Shiefs just once,,, go on I dare you.
The grammar police will be on you like flies on chit.

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Shiefs hehe

Furboy said:

Shiefs hehe

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Good Boy!

OmerV said:

Gronkowski didn't have an elite season the year before he retired - and the PAts won the Super Bowl. Accordingly your claim that he was elite except for taking a year off doesn't hold water, nor does your goofy suggestion that he finally shook the rust off 19 games into the season just on Super Bowl day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Gronk isn't still a good receiver, but he was not elite over the season or the playoffs. He was elite in 2 games all season, so it wasn't the TE that made the difference.

I find it funny you completely ignore examples of teams that won without an elite TE. It just shows you refuse to see anything but what you want to see. What you are seeing is names like Gronkowski and Kelce in the last few Super Bowls and claiming that represents all modern Super Bowls, and what every team has to have to find success. It doesn't - it just represents what you want to see and your refusal to look at more than a very narrow view of the game.

Others have claimed in the past that this position or that scheme is the only way to win, and it always proves to be untrue. As always, there is no one way only, and the team that puts together the best overall team, and is playing well right time is who wins, not just one particular position.

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You said Schultz was on pace for 9-10 tds? Well how many did the whole te core get? Lmao. 6+ years in a row you've been WRONG and you're still singing the same Tune!

KISS THE RING ROGERS

Typhus said:

Good Boy!

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Teehee

CowboysExchange said:

You said Schultz was on pace for 9-10 tds? Well how many did the whole te core get? Lmao. 6+ years in a row you've been WRONG and you're still singing the same Tune!

KISS THE RING ROGERS

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Schultz did play well considering he was playing after Jarwin.
Kid has some upside a high ceiling, sometimes its just getting that opportunity.
Looking forward to having a healthy Jarwin and Schultz returning.

Typhus said:

Schultz did play well considering he was playing after Jarwin.
Kid has some upside a high ceiling, sometimes its just getting that opportunity.
Looking forward to having a healthy Jarwin and Schultz returning.

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Oh. You like finishing 8-8 like Rogers too? Lmao.

Worst Red zone offense in the League going on 5+ years and I guess it's the receivers fault?

No it's not these Stud tes fault who are drawing top defenders and double/triple teams right?

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut when he plays every snap and the defender slips on a banana peel in a meaningless blowout game against a 2-14 team. Lol

Listen. We can argue all we want about what makes a Super Bowl winner in this day an age, but I really think that there are a few startling things that jump out at me.

#1) Modern Super Bowl winning teams almost always have their RBs either on a rookie contract or a vets minimum type deal.

#2) Productive pass rush. Nearly every team that wins the Super Bowl has a front 4 that can flat out get after the QB. Those Giants teams might have only been 9-7 but oh my God could they destroy a quarterback. Kansas City had a strong set of pass rushers, as did Philly, Denver, and Seattle. Pass rush really jumps out at you in the playoffs and can neutralize a top flight QB.

#3) QB does not eat up the whole cap. The last 10 Super Bowl participants have on average had QB take up 8.4 % of their cap. That is a small figure in case any of you are wondering. Now, this number is a little skewed, but some of the QBs that have made it there in recent years include Jared Goff, Nick Foles, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Jimmy G, and Eli Manning. Not world beaters by any stretch of the imagination, but good QBs none the less. Blake Bortles, Ryan Tannehill, and Mark Sanchez are all guys that made it to the AFC Championship and easily could have been in the Superbowl if not for running into legendary quarterbacks beforehand. What this shows me is that if your guy isn't hands down a top 5 in the league type, you may be better off moving on to a cheaper option that still plays competent ball on significantly less money.

When I boil it down these are three trends that jump out at me year after year. Not surprisingly the Cowboys are failing spectacularly in all 3 categories. Now, in 2 years we can have Zeke off the roster, development of a strong front 7 can likely be accomplished in 2 years or less with emphasis on the group in the draft and FA. The last category is where I am really torn. I will say Dak pretty much falls within the top 10 quarterbacks in the league however I do not see him as a guy that breaks into that elite few at the very top of the position. I love Dak as a player and really think that we blew one of our best shots at a Super Bowl in a long time when we didn't get anywhere between 2016-2020 (Should have been going all in while we had a great QB for cheap). That being said, I do not think that he is not a QB that you can give 38 mil a year to and expect to ever make it to the top of the hill. For this reason I think it may be in our best interested to tag Dak and trade him for either a king's ransom in draft picks or another comparable QB on a lesser deal + picks. If all of this goes right I think we can be on the fast track to competing at the top of the NFC in two years or less. Maybe one day then we will be able to celebrate a Cowboys Super Bowl instead of watching everyone else make it to the big dance.

CowboysExchange said:

In that Superbowl 2 years ago he caught what was pretty much the game winning catch at the 2 yard line while being triple Teamed. He played hurt all year.

He retired because he was hurt and Ne didn't have any good receivers besides Eddleman.

He's healed up. He'll get a training camp and put up 8+ tds drawing top defenders w Double and Triple teams next year and you'll still be comparing his production to witten, jarwin, Schultz, Swaim and the rest of our 4 TD a year te core with 1 playoff td in 20 years.

Just like you have for 6+ years in this Forum. Lmao. You the scrub te Narc for Jerry

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I didn't say Gronkowski had lost is ability to catch a football, so you haven't made a point. Winning a Super Bowl is about more than the Super Bowl game itself or a TD in that Super Bowl, and there have been guys that caught TD passes in Super Bowls that never had much of a career at all, much less been an essential, can't live without them, element to an entire Super Bowl season.

I know he retired because he was hurt - but not limited to a specific injury, it was because ,his body had been battered from years of playing the game, which further supports the fact he was no longer the elite TE that he had been.

As for your comment about him getting a training camp and putting up 8+TDs and drawing top defenders in 2021, that remains to be seen, but surely you understand how ridiculously illogical it is to suggest that what you believe will happen in the future somehow changes the past. What I said about Gronk's last two season stands - they were not elite level seasons.

Scrub TE narc for Jerry? lol. That comment undermines anything you have to say. It's nonsensical and absent any substance, and a lame attempt at an insult.

Only thing I learned is great defenses and smart Qbs win championships

CowboysExchange said:

You said Schultz was on pace for 9-10 tds? Well how many did the whole te core get? Lmao. 6+ years in a row you've been WRONG and you're still singing the same Tune!

KISS THE RING ROGERS

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lol - so you are resorting to just blatantly making things up to fabricate an argument? Wow.

I'll wait for you to show where I said Schultz was on pace for 9-10 TD's.

zrinkill said:

Only thing I learned is great defenses and smart Qbs win championships

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That was certainly the formula this year. And I think people forget the role the KC defense played the Super Bowl win the previous year. Mahomes had a very modest day by his standards, and the KC defense was a crucial part of the win by getting 3 turnovers and controlling the SF passing game.