The reason Dak isn't signed yet

DandyDon52 said:

and who hired the agent ? lol and who is still using the agent? The agent works for dak and knows what dak wants.
Dak can take any deal offered, and knows about any deal offered, it is amazing people are still blaming the agent lol. This isnt rocket science.
I guess some see Dak as a innocent guy being buffaloed by the mean ol agent lol. Well france works for dak guys, not vice versa.
By not saying anything himself Dak can maintain his bow tie image and let france take the heat and it is working.

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Dont get it twisted ,I'm well aware Dak could step in. But I'm also going to guess you've never been involved with an agent of sorts?. Yhey have a way. But taking the agent out of the equation is like removing Jerry. I bet you if Jerry and Dak did the negotiation it would've been done. Agents are very persuasive as well as stephen. There is a reason his agent has a Bad reputation. Sure Dak could step in but then what's the point of the Agent is all I'm saying

Loso86 said:

Dont get it twisted ,I'm well aware Dak could step in. But I'm also going to guess you've never been involved with an agent of sorts?. Yhey have a way. But taking the agent out of the equation is like removing Jerry. I bet you if Jerry and Dak did the negotiation it would've been done. Agents are very persuasive as well as stephen. There is a reason his agent has a Bad reputation. Sure Dak could step in but then what's the point of the Agent is all I'm saying

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A bad reputation with players or owners?

The best agents often have a bad rep with owners .

I’d define a great agent who maximize my value which France has a reputation for. I’d call that a good reputation from a players perspective.

And yea, agents do have influence advising their clients. And I’d say Dak holds all the cards. He’s either going to get his deal or walk. Either way Cowboys lose.

Loso86 said:

Dont get it twisted ,I'm well aware Dak could step in. But I'm also going to guess you've never been involved with an agent of sorts?. Yhey have a way. But taking the agent out of the equation is like removing Jerry. I bet you if Jerry and Dak did the negotiation it would've been done. Agents are very persuasive as well as stephen. There is a reason his agent has a Bad reputation. Sure Dak could step in but then what's the point of the Agent is all I'm saying

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Well all I'm saying is Dak isnt the innocent person being misled.
Also players have friends and family , gf's and wives who also influence them about their value and what they should ask for and do.
Agents came about because some players are quite dumb, and incapable of negotiating for themselves, and football contracts today are quite complicated.
Dak still has the final say though regardless what his agent or anyone else is telling him.

lostar2009 said:

Well if that's the case where is he? Why can't this team find one? Dak did have a great year when he went 13-3 but after that the team suffer some injuries and Dak was require to do more.

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Dak does not want to sign long term. He wants to be a free agent and shop. That is not in the best interest of Cowboy fans. It's time to get what we can from him and move on.

PJTHEDOORS said:

Then same criteria for Aikman & Romo. They too weren't elite. They were average. Were not accurate. Needed talent around them.

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Your smoking crack. Irvin is quoted as saying he could run a route blind folded and Troy would have the ball hit him in the hands.

LittleD said:

Dak does not want to sign long term. He wants to be a free agent and shop. That is not in the best interest of Cowboy fans. It's time to get what we can from him and move on.

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I think you hit on it.

When Prescott was drafted his dream had been to play QB for the Dallas Cowboys. Now, he's done that and he's seen from the inside how they are run and not every player likes that kind of set up with a meddlesome owner. It's like Irving saying he hated to come to work for the Cowboys. He didn't hate them, he hated working for them.

Diehardblues said:

A bad reputation with players or owners?

The best agents often have a bad rep with owners .

I’d define a great agent who maximize my value which France has a reputation for. I’d call that a good reputation from a players perspective.

And yea, agents do have influence advising their clients. And I’d say Dak holds all the cards. He’s either going to get his deal or walk. Either way Cowboys lose.

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Depends on what the deal is. If he walks it wasnt meant to be and we will find the next QB atbleast we tried. But alot of players dont like him either. Hes all about me and my money not neccesarily about the player and the situation. Reason all of his guys were on Tags last year and stopped all renegotiating until he went to his new company. Had he negotiated the right way Dak might have had some security with the injury and all. Now that's coming into play. But I get what your saying though

DandyDon52 said:

Well all I'm saying is Dak isnt the innocent person being misled.
Also players have friends and family , gf's and wives who also influence them about their value and what they should ask for and do.
Agents came about because some players are quite dumb, and incapable of negotiating for themselves, and football contracts today are quite complicated.
Dak still has the final say though regardless what his agent or anyone else is telling him.

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Yea I hear what your saying. And agree. I just know some ******* agents and friends whose had them as well. That's why most are lawyers. Not only good lying for the players to the owners but good at lying to the players for themselves

cowboyec said:

i hadn't heard this before.
if that report is true and thats the kinda hard ball they're playin'....im draftin' a QB and movin' on.
hope its not true.
i'd like to see him finish it here.

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It would make sense that it is true. The last deal was scuttled due to the extra year. Dak and camp want to ensure that whatever deal is proposed it has a end date of 2024.

CouchCoach said:

If the reports are fact, it is now a 3 year deal. They wanted a 5 year deal last year and his agent is counting the tag year as year 1 of a 4 year deal, which is all he wants. From the get go, Todd France has been pointing to 2024 as a FA year for Prescott. He doesn't seem to want to come off that.

If that's the case, they're better off tagging him and making other plans past 2022.

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This front office is not very good at making long term decisions. At this point, the best course of action for this franchise is a tag and trade.

Rayman70 said:

Dak is obviously trying to extort money up front now and the agent is behind it. This is out of character for Dak. I truly do not think its him doing this.He is getting bad advice.

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Extorting is a felony, I don't think the negotiations are that dark. Also negotiating have just begun. The reporting can be highly speculative at this juncture. Yeah, I am also not a big fan of his hard balling agent Todd France. On the other hand, Dak is leaving it in his hands so he is enabling him.

rnr_honeybadger said:

It would make sense that it is true. The last deal was scuttled due to the extra year. Dak and camp want to ensure that whatever deal is proposed it has a end date of 2024.

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Then a deal is DOA. No team in the NFL operates like this. The cap ramifications are too great. Teams typically need to spread out the hit so they won't be bogged down and unable to sign others/build the team. A deal that ends in 2024 won't happen. I am sure the agent is fully aware of this and I bet Dak isn't. Dak is putting all his trust in the agent..big mistake. I think Dallas might do a 4 year deal, but not shorter. Its a cap killer. Team building killer.

cowboyed said:

Extorting is a felony, I don't think the negotiations are that dark. Also negotiating have just begun. The reporting can be highly speculative at this juncture. Yeah, I am also not a big fan of his hard balling agent Todd France. On the other hand, Dak is leaving it in his hands so he is enabling him.

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well said..especially your last 2 sentences. I seriously doubt Dak is aware of what the standard procedures are as far as spreading out the cap hit over time. I think the agents eyes are too big for his own greed. France promised the world to his new boss/agency..and wants a mega deal. Problem is, all sides will look bad and lose if it doesn't get done. France is making it more about him instead of an equal balanced agreement that all parties are fine with. Until that changes, it is dead in the water. SOMEONE might wanna get in Daks ear and explain things to him clearly.

Why isn’t the 3 year per 41 million a reasonable deal for us?

We have most of our key talent signed for a couple years. And McCarthy was brought in to win now with this current offensive Juggernaut.

That gives us a couple years to prop up defense thru draft. We should know by then if this is going any further. If not then we can flush it all.

Diehardblues said:

Why isn’t the 3 year per 41 million a reasonable deal for us?

We have most of our key talent signed for a couple years. And McCarthy was brought in to win now with this current offensive Juggernaut.

That gives us a couple years to prop up defense thru draft. We should know by then if this is going any further. If not then we can flush it all.

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one big issue is a 3 year deal will hinder us greatly in signing other guys. Its a team killer. The cap hit would be tremendous.As you may know, it is customarily spread out over 4-5,6 years..all deals. Reason being it lessens the cap hit and gives teams flexibility in signing others and improving. The agent knows this, he's been around for a long time. What he is doing is shameful. Dak is doing what the agent wants..and that is fine, but in this case, he is being harmed. Now if Dak is aware of the facts and is still pushing for this more or less on his own accord, then we must ask ourselves, does Dak truly wanna be in Dallas or is this a move to get dealt away to another team or outright released?

Rayman70 said:

one big issue is a 3 year deal will hinder us greatly in signing other guys. Its a team killer. The cap hit would be tremendous.As you may know, it is customarily spread out over 4-5,6 years..all deals. Reason being it lessens the cap hit and gives teams flexibility in signing others and improving. The agent knows this, he's been around for a long time. What he is doing is shameful. Dak is doing what the agent wants..and that is fine, but in this case, he is being harmed. Now if Dak is aware of the facts and is still pushing for this more or less on his own accord, then we must ask ourselves, does Dak truly wanna be in Dallas or is this a move to get dealt away to another team or outright released?

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What players specifically will this not allow us to sign?

We have most of our key players signed. And if we’re looking to make some Cap space we could let less contributing weight go like Lee or Jaylon.

While Daks contract could be restraining , isn’t his absence likely to set us back further until we find or groom another QB?

Dak is just trying to optimize his personal situation. Watson signed for what 39-40 mil per. Isn’t Dak in the same neighborhood a year later?

We had an opportunity to pay Dak less last year. Not sure why we thought would get better this year?

Diehardblues said:

Dak is just trying to optimize his personal situation. Watson signed for what 39-40 mil per. Isn’t Dak in the same neighborhood a year later?

We had an opportunity to pay Dak less last year. Not sure why we thought would get better this year?

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"WE"

If you mean the Jones family and the actual DC Ownership group called the Dallas Cowboys?? Not the over rated gm armchair gms in the Cowboy Zone??i dont remember this place or the media ownings shares in the DCs?

they offered him 35 and that was already high for dak..who cares about QB market, how much has Brady, brees, rivers and other made the last 3-4 seasons? all better then Dak yes aging and retiring but if the qb market was set to pay all franchise starting caliber top 10 QBS a new record breaking deal, those players were severely underpaid. Just because owners have been constantly making mistakes , shown by all the trades and qbs being jettisoned the past two years with those deals dak didnt get, doesnt mean jerry has to cave ..Jerry sets the market or dak can walk,.,either way im ready door this to be over and if dak ends up in another uniform well other shave like ES and Ware and well i got over it ..Daks not even in their league..

this is Dak issue a not an ownership issue. Hes far overvaluing himself and when Jerry tried to get him money he turned it down over years and structure..

3 games over 500 and injuries' the past few years is not going to get you 40, owners have made mistake the market is inflated and lie other markets it can start going the other way..

Diehardblues said:

While Daks contract could be restraining , isn’t his absence likely to set us back further until we find or groom another QB?

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No I don't think Dak's absence is what will set this team back. The offensive line not being healthy and the loss of Travis Fredbeard hurt this team a lot more than Dak getting hurt. Think the defensive line being so pathetic and the inconsistent play at Line Backer has hurt this team a lot more than Dak getting hurt. Dak's a game manager, not that hard to replace when it comes down to it.

Diehardblues said:

Dak is just trying to optimize his personal situation. Watson signed for what 39-40 mil per.

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Sure Dak wants to optimize his situation, the problem here is that they have decided on a hard set end date. That gives less flexibility to move the numbers around which means that any players you want to sign even if they are your own will be affected. Watson's contract of 39 - 40 mil a year but go take a look at the breakdown of the base salary and what is listed as a signing bonus, then add to this the ability to restructure the contract in year 3, 4 and beyond. Dak on the other hand demands a set end date of 2024 so that he can be a free agent right as the new TV contracts are signed. So now you have a hard set end date with a demand of 39 - 40 million, there is 0 flexibility which means that the Cowboys will be hemorrhaging players who they want to sign because of less cap flexibility - you think these other guys whose contracts are coming due will say hey give me a pay cut because I want to play with Dak? Instead they will have to find a way to replace them with cheaper alternatives like bargain basement free agents or late round draft picks.