The reason Dak isn't signed yet

CowboysFaninHouston said:

he was 2-3. part of the main reason is historically bad....sorry I misspelled...HISTORICALLY BAD defense, on pace to give up the most points ever in NFL HISTORY...they ended up shattering the cowboys worst defense ever. even worse than campo years....

and Dak played against three playoff teams.... Dalton won against 3 4 win teams playing against back up QBs....Dalton got killed, annihilated against average to good competition like WFT, AZ and Ravens. those games were over in the first quarter.

so it becomes a matter of contribution and importance to the team. its a QB driven league. we saw clearly before our very own eyes, as the season progressed, what Dak meant to the competitiveness of the team, va. Dalton's of the world....with the latter we absolutely had no chance against any average team....

context matters..... barely beating a team with 4 wins and a back up QB isn't the same as playing against a playoff team.

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plymkr said:

Didn't Dalton and company lose to playoff teams as well? Washington and Pittsburgh were playoff teams so does that mean that GG and Dalton's play did not factor into those losses.
I get what you're saying, I'm not sure I agree with everything you're saying but I'm not going to say you're wrong. I agree that W's and L's are not a measuring stick for a QB and it's not fair to measure how good or bad a QB is by W's and L's. I guess my point is that since the 3-0 start of 2019 the whole team, Dak included, has been average to below average. This team has not progressed and in fact regressed. I feel paying Dak 42 million for 3 years will hinder the growth of the team due to the salary cap problems that contract will create. And since 2019 there really isn't anything to be excited about, including Dak. Yes he put up big numbers but part of putting up big numbers was putting us in a hole and digging out of it.

I'd rather go 3-13 or 2-14 next year and purge the roster and then rebuild than go the next 3 years on the 6-10 9-7 playoff bubble and if we make it to the playoffs getting bounced. To me losing a game with Dak being superman and bringing us back from 24 points down to losing by 3 is the same feeling as losing by 17 without Dak. A loss is a loss.

I felt no different losing to the Rams in dramatic fashion as I did losing to the Cardinals or Ravens in a blowout. A loss is a loss. If Dak's contract causes us to lose, but lose in an exciting way, then it feels the same as losing with GG in a blowout.

I'm not saying you're wrong bro, I'm just thinking we have different perspectives of the teams problems and how to deal with those problems moving forward.

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Diehardblues said:

The offer was for 5 years I believe. Dak wanted 4.

And as far as looking ahead to 2023 CB agreement , if you’re under contract you won’t be able to benefit initially . Yea, you could hold out and try and force renegotiations. Otherwise will need to wait until you’re contract expires.

Also Dak’s age plays into that discussion as well. In 2024 he’ll just be 29 or 30 I believe , still considered his prime. And at that time probably more willing for a long term more team friendly deal like most of these QB’s are in their second extension since they’ve already cashed in.

And worth noting which isn’t always discussed is Dak not being a 1st round pick played on a very cheap deal for 4 years which saved the Cowboys millions. That might be part of the motivation behind Dak playing hardball.

I think it goes back to the Cowboys could have extended him sooner and he could have been receiving more , at least with a signing bonus. As it was for 4 years , he was one of the lowest paid players on the team and probably one of if not lowest paid QB in the league. That might drive you to believing and feeling it was time to be paid waiting patiently for 4 years. Just a thought ...

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PAPPYDOG said:

(Dak has shown the ability to beat teams with winning records.)Quote....


No, he hasn't!
Please leave the yellow DAK propaganda on your CPU bud!

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plymkr said:

This is one point we do agree on. I do feel the Cowboys screwed up not paying Dak when Wentz and Goff got extended. I believe they tried to but didn't get it done. If they really wanted him they could have gotten it done.

One thing I want to day is I don't fault Dak for wanting to get everything he can. I feel The FO screwed up with Dak by not extending him after the Seattle playoff game. I feel Dak is getting bad advice by his agent to turn down 100 million in guarantees due to a year or two. Both parties are at fault and both parties will be the causes of the upcoming divorce.

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Diehardblues said:

I’d argue the 3-0 start presented a false perception this team was that good. Those were against bottom tier teams.

I see Dak and our offense as only aspect of our team that provides an opportunity to win.

It’s very difficult to see this defense capable of winning games for us. As a matter of fact I’d argue the defense is preventing this team from more success.

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Diehardblues said:

Yes he has. You just provided stats that illustrated he won games against teams with winning records. I’m not sure how you interpreted my post?

And if you’re going to make personal attacks eat crap. You’re the biggest Dak troll on the board.

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plymkr said:

Totally agree. I don't feel Dak is talented enough to overcome the defense. I think I said that in another post on another thread. Dak is not talented enough, nor any QB is talented enough, to overcome our defense. I'm scared if we pay him then we will have this defense for years to to come and we'll be constantly frustrated by being a playoff bubble team that can't progress into a good team. We can beat up on teams like the Bengals and Falcons but lose to playoff teams. As a team we will lose. If Dak was signed to a 30 year deal and we had more flexibility and the team improved then the W's would improve and maybe playoff success. But I feel at this point with the contract being a bitter situation and egos are involved it will not end well. Either we lose Dak and rebuild or we pay Dak and have close games against average teams and get stomped by the playoff teams.

And then 3 more years of Dak being polarized by the fans. In some of my other posts I put up the winning percentages of the QB's in 2020 and 2019. Well there's not much of a difference between them and that's cause the rest of the roster is trash. So pay the QB and have a trash roster or purge and rebuild. That's the question

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PAPPYDOG said:

Seems you're out of the Dak closet for good now!
I did you favor as you don't have to hide your true feelings on the matter anymore.
Now go to the 1:45 mark and face reality.
Post your correction statement here just the right thing to do.

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Diehardblues said:

Our defense is bad because we’ve drafted poorly overall. If we continue to draft poorly it’s going to continue to be bad.

But if can turn that around it could be revamped. And it ain’t wont much on Rookie contracts.

And the Cap is going to jump back in 2022.

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Diehardblues said:

Eat crap troll

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visionary said:

Everyone and their uncle (except a few Dak jock sniffers) know he’s not an elite QB. There is no IF

the only question is whether the Joneses have the backbone to take the proper steps

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PAPPYDOG said:

Another Draft will save us post.
Yes, there is a Santa Clause and he lives in the North pole....

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PAPPYDOG said:

Rockport is that you????
Then again apologies to Rockport as even he won't use this type of sub-human language.

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Diehardblues said:

You’re a paid subscriber troll. I guess you send in enough money to protect your butt.

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PAPPYDOG said:

Agee or disagree with my opinions is fine by me.
I follow the rules and don't use foul language or use personal insults to cover the inaccuracy of my post.
Chill it's only a game.

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plymkr said:

Dak was 2-3? Which games did he win. Atlanta and which other one?

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

Giants game since he started and played into second half and had the lead....NFL rules. not mine.

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BHendri5 said:

I don’t sniff no one’s jock not even my wife’s panties, Dak is elite only the idiots that don’t know football think otherwise

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

Giants game since he started and played into second half and had the lead....NFL rules. not mine.

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