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It's not a hate thing, it's just the fact that he's average.

Dak is not average, he is a very good quarterback, albeit not elite. The team around him is average including the offense because the offensive line with the exception of Zac Martin has injured and aging offensive linemen. The defense has been substandard to say the least.
 

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Dak jock sniffers like to term anyone who offers valid criticism of Dak as Dak haters.

NO ONE HERE HATES DAK.

There isnt a single person here that wouldn't love to see Dak win a Super Bowl.
 

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Dak jock sniffers like to term anyone who offers valid criticism of Dak as Dak haters.

NO ONE HERE HATES DAK.

There isnt a single person here that wouldn't love to see Dak win a Super Bowl.





There are many here that wish that was true but there are users here who have said their biggest wish is for Prescott to be gone or those that keep saying that Prescott is a below average QB or those that say that Prescott is to dumb to play QB. Those people that say those things do hate Prescott. Lastly what you call as valid criticism is usually blaming Prescott for things that are not his fault or not under his control. Also usually fans of a player usually refrain from criticizing the player they are a fan of because they are a fan of that player even with his faults.
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I watched that interview and frankly, it missed the neon sign that smacked them all in the forehead as they passed it by.

The dynamic at play here, right now, is control. This, IMO, is not about Dak as much as it is about losing the game and the integrity of the current structure, in which, the game is set up to work in. QBs demanding all this money is a game changer and a killer, longterm, IMO.

Fans should pay attention here. This is what those ridiculous contract demands are going to get you. Wentz and Geoff and even Dak's situations are views into what will happen if this current model is not corrected. We had fans on this very board telling me that Wentz was getting paid more then Dak and Goeff as well. Had TV personalities telling all of us that both of those QBs were better. Well, they both probably were before those contracts. With those contracts come very specific types of pressure. In the case of Wentz, the fan support he had before the contract, up and died, only to be replaced by hate. He is not longer the same QB because the support he had from his own team and fan base changed because of that Contract. Now, be it the change that happened with Wentz specifically or from the team and/or fan base, it happened and it happened because of the contract. Wentz, prior to getting that deal, had proven nothing and the team gave it to him way before he earned it. Way before he was ready IMO. They basically ruined their own QB with that contract. Now, he's in serious trouble and Philly is screwed by their own hand. Geoff, his situation is all about the money. The Rams signed him to this deal knowing the whole time that they would be getting out of it before they actually had to pay stupid money so, as I said many time over, his deal was never all that good. Dak's deal, the deal the team offered him last year, was better then both of these other QBs but of course, everybody knew better except they didn't and now we are here. Dak is making a mistake here but it's his to make so that's a different discussion. What is more important is that this is what's going to happen to all of these QBs and agents who demand stupid contracts. They are going to get a few years of money but when the real money comes into play, they are going to get cut. People are surprised that we have so many good QBs available well, I'm not. You could see this coming for years now. This is going to continue to happen until players wise up. Agents are going to push this thing no matter what because they get paid up front, off signings. The more deals they can sign for bigger numbers, the more money they make because they get paid up front off a percentage of the deal. So for them, the bigger the number down the road and the tougher the situation it creates for the team, the better for them because it either forces the team to restructure at bigger numbers, which is another payday for the agent or the QBs get cut and the agents eventually sign another deal with another team and again, they get paid. But the QBs, they are typically paying for it and the fans and the rest of the team, they are definitely paying bigtime. It's bad business and very harmful to the team but sure, lets go ahead and support this horrible business model like the ignorant fans we apparently are.

This is so bad and yet, we are all on board with it right? Well, not all of us but then so what, the rest of the fan base just thinks we are stupid or worse because it's easier for them to believe we are stupid and much, much worse, rather then just use a little common sense and understand that their willingness to follow the hurd over the cliff is wrong minded, it's not good and it's a mistake. Just can't bring yourselves to admit it thou. It's really unfortunate, I hope Jerry understands that we don't have to be stupid and just allow these agents to continue to ruin our teams. We can do the smart thing and create stability.

But what do I know right? I'm just a hatter with very little grey matter so yeah, carry on.......
Wow....owner Friendly fans "Our team" are so eloquent. Great post....if this was 90s' or 20s'.

The Only thing left to Pop in this archaic business model is for the Younger players to higher competent NFLPA representation and Agents who are smarter or just as smart as these Owners lawyers.

I like this Era of the Players Control (the rabbit has the Gun), they are flexing their control muscles and those fans wedded to old team tactics will witness the Elite Players bypass the Cowboys front office like pay phone booth.
 

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Wow....owner Friendly fans "Our team" are so eloquent. Great post....if this was 90s' or 20s'.

The Only thing left to Pop in this archaic business model is for the Younger players to higher competent NFLPA representation and Agents who are smarter or just as smart as these Owners lawyers.

I like this Era of the Players Control (the rabbit has the Gun), they are flexing their control muscles and those fans wedded to old team tactics will witness the Elite Players bypass the Cowboys front office like pay phone booth.

Enjoy it while it lasts because it won't be here long. Owners, in any era, don't do business to lose money. Baseball is a great example. They were far and away the biggest sport and it wasn't close. They lost site of what was important and they paid a price. When's the last time a large segment of America watched baseball?

Yeah, baseball is a dying sport and it's because they took it for granted. I think the same thing could happen with Football if they are not careful.

But hey, if that's not what you believe, it's cool with me. Like I said, there is no shortage of people who called me stupid and worse when I said that the Wentz deal and the Goff deal were not better then the deal offered to Dak, by the Cowboys.

Elite players don't win by themselves so that doesn't really scare me much. I'm good with that.
 

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Not sure what goal post is being shifted here. He's right - Dak isn't going to carry a subpar roster and he never has carried a subpar roster ever. His career to this date has been one blessed with a decent offensive line, decent running game and decent receivers.

Name one QB who has carried a subpar roster.

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I love the banter between the Dak Lovers and the Dake Haters. Pure comedy. :laugh:
 

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Enjoy it while it lasts because it won't be here long. Owners, in any era, don't do business to lose money. Baseball is a great example. They were far and away the biggest sport and it wasn't close. They lost site of what was important and they paid a price. When's the last time a large segment of America watched baseball?

Yeah, baseball is a dying sport and it's because they took it for granted. I think the same thing could happen with Football if they are not careful.

But hey, if that's not what you believe, it's cool with me. Like I said, there is no shortage of people who called me stupid and worse when I said that the Wentz deal and the Goff deal were not better then the deal offered to Dak, by the Cowboys.

Elite players don't win by themselves so that doesn't really scare me much. I'm good with that.
Baseball died??? Players love this kind of death of the ownership

  • 1) Bryce Harper, Phillies: 13 years, $330 million (2019-31)
  • 2) Gerrit Cole, Yankees: 9 years, $324 million (2020-28)
  • 3) Manny Machado, Padres: 10 years, $300 million (2019-28)
  • 4) Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 10 years, $275 million (2008-17)
  • 5) Alex Rodriguez, Rangers: 10 years, $252 million (2001-10)
 

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Baseball died??? Players love this kind of death of the ownership

  • 1) Bryce Harper, Phillies: 13 years, $330 million (2019-31)
  • 2) Gerrit Cole, Yankees: 9 years, $324 million (2020-28)
  • 3) Manny Machado, Padres: 10 years, $300 million (2019-28)
  • 4) Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 10 years, $275 million (2008-17)
  • 5) Alex Rodriguez, Rangers: 10 years, $252 million (2001-10)

Well, that's great for the players but why the hell do I care? I'm a fan, not a player. I'm not a fan boy, I love the sport. Baseball is not fun anymore and that means that I, as a fan, have lost something cool that used to be fun. I get it, you are a player fan boy. That's cool if that's what you want to be. That's not me so for me, that shows nothing other then the failure of the sport. It only reminds me of what is coming for the NFL if they don't fix things.

Professional Sports are not about the Players. It's about the fans but hey, if you can't see that, then this discussion is pointless, between you and I.

And BTW, I didn't say "Baseball died", I said "Baseball is dying". Either learn to read or learn to stop trying to misrepresent what people are saying, one or the other.
 
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Professional Sports are not about the Players. It's about the fans but hey, if you can't see that, then this discussion is pointless, between you and I.
Yes...it’s about @ABQCOWBOY :lmao:
And BTW, I didn't say "Baseball died", I said "Baseball is dying". Either learn to read or learn to stop trying to misrepresent what people are saying, one or the other.
I showed you proof of growth (players growing salaries) which is the opposite of “Baseball is dying”

You think Professional sports is about you and the NFL is dying (or will eventually die) like baseball if players get more control...Got It?:huh::thumbup:
 

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How many AFC championship games did Manning make it to before finally winning the super bowl? Dak has 1 playoff win in 5 seasons and you want to trash Manning. Thats pretty damn funny......
HOF numbers for Dak love guys, give him 5 more years maybe he can double that playoff win number. Fit him for the gold jacket.
 

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Dak jock sniffers like to term anyone who offers valid criticism of Dak as Dak haters.

NO ONE HERE HATES DAK.

There isnt a single person here that wouldn't love to see Dak win a Super Bowl.
I love innocent children. I just want to pinch your cheeks!
 

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Yes...it’s about @ABQCOWBOY :lmao:

I showed you proof of growth (players growing salaries) which is the opposite of “Baseball is dying”

You think Professional sports is about you and the NFL is dying (or will eventually die) like baseball if players get more control...Got It?:huh::thumbup:

No, you didn't. You showed mismanagement. Baseball lost, reportedly, 3.1 Billion in 2020.

Got it?
 

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No, you didn't. You showed mismanagement. Baseball lost, reportedly, 3.1 Billion in 2020.

Got it?
MLB Losing Money in a year destroyed by a Pandemic is a sign of a dying league :lmao2::huh::lmao2:

NFL, reportedly, were to lose, 5.1 Billion per Forbes article in May of 2020. That is almost 40% of team revenue...Is NFL K.I.A or walking dead???:huh: mismanagement :lmao2:
 
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MLB Losing Money in a year destroyed by a Pandemic is a sign of a dying league :lmao2::huh::lmao2:

NFL lost, reportedly, were to lose, 5.1 Billion per Forbes article in May of 2020. That is almost 40% of team revenue...Is NFL K.I.A or walking dead???:huh: mismanagement :lmao2:

No, Baseball losing interest by younger fanbase for literally 20 years is. Speaking of signs, where is yours? Look, I put up with your BS on occasion but not this. You don't know jack about Baseball, clearly. Anybody who knows anything about MLB knows that the sport is in decline, in terms of younger fan base. It has been for years and it's a major concern. So unless you have real fact, and not just these little memes, don't respond to me. You don't have an argument here and I don't have the time or patience for this stupidity. This is basic stuff here.

You have derailed this thread, taking it away from the original discussion enough and all for what, to argue over something that has been agreed upon for years by people much smarter and more knowledgeable they I, and certainly you.

And for the record, the NFL is in danger of same. The reason the NFL can support a hit like they have, is because of the hard cap and the fact that they don't fully guarantee contracts. Baseball is a different animal.

Just stop wasting everybody's time and get back to the subject matter, which is football. Try to stay on point here.
 

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To be honest, most of the ESPN on-air personalities, contributors, guest pundits, etc., lean toward siding with Prescott in this negotiation deadlock. They are all in total agreement the Cowboys dropped the ball not getting a new deal done halfway through his rookie contract, and are critical about how long the situation has been drawn out.

ESPN is for entertainment purposes only. They know nothing about anything.

I sometimes enjoy it for what it is but it's the pro wrestling of sports news.
 

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No, Baseball losing interest by younger fanbase for literally 20 years is. Speaking of signs, where is yours? Look, I put up with your BS on occasion but not this. You don't know jack about Baseball, clearly. Anybody who knows anything about MLB knows that the sport is in decline, in terms of younger fan base. It has been for years and it's a major concern. So unless you have real fact, and not just these little memes, don't respond to me. You don't have an argument here and I don't have the time or patience for this stupidity. This is basic stuff here.

You have derailed this thread, taking it away from the original discussion enough and all for what, to argue over something that has been agreed upon for years by people much smarter and more knowledgeable they I, and certainly you.

And for the record, the NFL is in danger of same. The reason the NFL can support a hit like they have, is because of the hard cap and the fact that they don't fully guarantee contracts. Baseball is a different animal.

Just stop wasting everybody's time and get back to the subject matter, which is football. Try to stay on point here.
Look you brought up the baseball analogy, I didn't.

I just put your dumb analogy in Context (not the vacuum of a Football Post), you chose this rail, not me.

All seriousness and FACTUALLY, Baseball isn't losing interest in America as far as tickets sold and local TV ratings. Your opinion is based on your personal TV subscriptions limitations :muttley:
 

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Look you brought up the baseball analogy, I didn't.

I just put your dumb analogy in Context (not the vacuum of a Football Post), you chose this rail, not me.

All seriousness and FACTUALLY, Baseball isn't losing interest in America as far as tickets sold and local TV ratings. Your opinion is based on your personal TV subscriptions limitations :muttley:

I brought up baseball as a point to support the Football discussion. I didn't bring up baseball to take the thread in a direction that discusses issues about Baseball that have already been decided, especially with somebody who doesn't know anything about Baseball. That was you. So don't lie about your part, accept it and move on. Talk about Football, if you want to use baseball as example, at least know enough about the subject to speak intelligently on it.

Baseball has lost interest with Americans. It has gone from a sport that lead all major sports in this country by a country mile to a distant third, in terms of interest.

My "personal TV subscription limitations", as you call it, are of no consequence. I am actually an example as I have gotten rid of MLB All Access two years ago. Lastly, and I do mean this, you are cherry picking your "facts" with ticket sales and local ratings. You are basing this, I am guessing on a 162 game season vs 16. This is why you are waste of time. This is all you do.

Last word on this, get back to the subject matter.
 
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