Something has to give. (QB Salaries)

Doomsday101

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I think one thing that will eventually slow down the QB market is when we see more young QB coming in having success right off the bat. At one time QB was drafted and he sat and learned, now days QB are drafted and with FA teams do not have the time to sit and wait for a young QB to develop, thus NFL offenses look more like college offense with spread option which many of these young QB grew up playing in the college ranks. NFL teams seldom have the QB operate under center now I would guess 95% of the plays are ran out of shotgun. Teams don't have time to have QB adjust to the NFL so the NFL adjusted to the QB and as more guys see quick success more likely teams will look to make changes at QB sooner which will bring the cost down.
 

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One can argue he was greedy in the sense that he declined the contract due to it being 5 years instead of 4 years in order to again capitalize on another possible big contract.....therefore if he was about being a Cowboy for life and helping to win a Super Bowl then why would he not accept the 5th year?
exactly. the money will still be out there in year 5 if he plays well enough to warrant it. He wants a fully guaranteed contract that gets him to the moment the next jump in salaries is available.
 

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I have posted this many times. Scarcity at the QB position isn't what it used to be. At the lower levels of football, it used to be rare to have teams that ran complicated passing schemes. Many QB's were really just running backs who could throw to a wide open guy. Even worse, african americans were frequently pushed away from the position to player WR or RB or CB or something. The end result was that there was a very small pool of people developed to play QB the way the NFL plays it.

Nowadays you have a ton of teams at lower levels that are pass happy. QB's are all over the place. That is filtering up to the pro's. This year's draft class is an example.

As many Dak supporters will say, you need good receivers, a good line, a competent running game and a good defense to win. Well, there is a growing number of QB's that if you give them all of that, they will do well.

At some point, teams are going to figure this out and QB salaries will come down as a percentage of the cap. Personally, I think the premium is going to switch to lineman (both sides). There are only so many 6'6" 300lb, highly athletic tough dudes on the planet. The trenches are where games are won and lost.
 

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The market will continue to be set by the Owner willing to pay the most. There is always going to be a team with a lot of cap space desperate to make a splash and get that cherished player. It happens with all the marquis positions.
true but if the majority of the league allocates their cap by position and sticks to that the "splash" moves don't create a wave. They are one off events.
 

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I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.

100% agree.. This looks like something I would post haha.
 

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I agree with everything except for what you pay Dak. To me, he's just outside the top 10 QB's and only worth 29-30mil per season. I don't think Dak is enough of a difference maker to justify more money than that. Will some team overpay, yep. Jerry should let some other team pony up.
id go 34 -35 but that TOP, if im Jones i stay at the exact offer he last puit in front of dak late last offseason and maybe sweeten the guarantees but not budging

..hopefully Jerry gets whats going on with the qb carrousel of late..owners nd teams are making slow change to adjusting the qb market, will take while but paying big money to get rid of your overpaid tier 2 starter has to be eye opening lessons and change is coming..
 

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I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.

The market is the market. I still can't get a ps5 without paying some bot user $900. Sucks but it is what it is.
 

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I haven’t seen it but someone should do a year over year comparison of the top five qb salaries as a % of the total cap.

while I agree that the salaries are ridiculous, I think we would all be surprised at the ratio
2016: 15%
2020: 14.4%

QB salaries haven't gone up relative to the cap. That's why I have been and will keep saying that fans just have sticker shock. The idea that you can't pay a quarterback and build a team is nonsense.
 

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The QB market needs a reset, and the phrase "this is the going market rate" or something similar needs to be buried. Just because it a certain QBs time for a contract doesn't mean he gets paid top tier money i.e. Carr, Cousins n Garrapollo.

I don't think the Cowboys can afford Dak, at this point...they should've paid years ago if they wanted him. Now it's get what you can for him or not a team built around him that can win.

I think it'll reset but not the way fans expect, especially with the new network adding more money to the pot. Just me, but I expect the salaries (QB) will continue to escalate but language and structures of contracts are where we could major adjustments. Owners will expect more with fewer years. Similar to what just happen with Goff and Wentz. In other words, I can see owners saying if I'm paying a QB $40M, he needs to put some serious skin on the wall and I'm not waiting 5-6 years.
 

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The market is the market. I still can't get a ps5 without paying some bot user $900. Sucks but it is what it is.

If you pay a QB that much money every year, you wind up with a defense like we had last year. Get a defense like Tampa and we don't need to pay Dak all that money.
 

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I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.
And really, Mahomes’ 45 average is very deceiving.
His contract is extremely team friendly fot the next 5 years, and especially the next 2.
About 27 mil and 31 the next 2 years
 

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I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.
I agree bro. They HAVE to set some type of line where they cant surpass a certain number depending on the market setter. Mahomes should be top and everyone flows in line. Crazy a QB makes double and mist of the time triple the next best salary on a team
Then have the nerve to complain like Wilson about getting hit.
 

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If you pay a QB that much money every year, you wind up with a defense like we had last year. Get a defense like Tampa and we don't need to pay Dak all that money.

Tampa Bay only spent $79mil on defense or 39% of their cap. So we can afford Dak or any qb for that matter if you can win a Super Bowl with only 39% of your cap dedicated to defense.
 

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Not just quarterback's salaries but the entire league. Crazy what these guys get paid. It's out of control imo.
Meanwhile....
Salaries are a product of the cap
The cap is a product of the revenue the league brings in
As long as revenue grows then salaries will continue to rise because that’s what the CBA does
If the people that play the game don’t get the money then the owners will get it
Seems reasonable to me that players should also benefit in the leagues revenue growth
As for QB’s, if the players as a whole were smart they would propose a cap within the cap on any one position. That would spread the money around and more players would make more money
 

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One can argue he was greedy in the sense that he declined the contract due to it being 5 years instead of 4 years in order to again capitalize on another possible big contract.....therefore if he was about being a Cowboy for life and helping to win a Super Bowl then why would he not accept the 5th year?
Right. A 5 year deal only delays free agency by 1 year. Granted, the difference in compensation that one year on an amortized basis would probably be 20-30m, but that isn’t a significant difference on a 9 year time frame and at the overall dollars. This is simply a battle of egos and control be either Dak or his agent. Even in the later case, Dak is still responsible.

I’m a Dak fan. I always root for those guys that grew up Cowboys fans and Dak did. I wanted Steven Jackson for that reason. I have hope that Dak pulls a Pudge Rodriguez and inserts himself to get a deal done that benefits both parties close to equally.
 

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I've covered up for Dak but not anymore. That wanting a 4 year instead of 5 that was offered holds no water. Why not? Because everyone knows had Dak kept playing very well, Jerry would have gladly given Dak a second big contract extension with at least still a year left. In other words, a 2nd big contract offer after 4 years instead of the full 5 year contract. Dak is simply being greedy. Super greedy.
That's why none of this ever made any sense.

I mean, why not add something like 3/160 on the back end of the deal if that where France thinks things are going? The team can cut Dak but if they did, what makes France think anyone else would give him the same money or more?

I'm thinking he just wants to be in the news again.
 

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At one point in time Stafford was the highest paid QB in the NFL. Maybe for a month or so, but he was. Was he the best? Not by a long shot. It’s the nature of the game.

This. The market will continue to dictate salaries. People want to blame players for trying to get the most money they can, meanwhile the owner is raking up one hundred times what most players make lol. The salary cap is going up (most years) for a reason.
 

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Something will give, the cap.

The rumors of the next TV/streaming deal will jack that cap and QB's will once again drag a disproportionate amount of it but that's what the rule changes brought about.

The money for QB's is about to get really stupid. Consider just 8 short years ago, Romo got 19M to shock us all and what are they talking about now for Prescott? 41.5M

Mahomes deal will last about to 2024 before it gets jacked because it will be approaching 50M for a QB by 2026, 55-60M for a QB. QB agents have been pushing it up by design because all else follows the QB.

It's just simple math. TV deal affects the cap which will take it to the 250M range pretty quickly, QB's are dragging down 18-20% of the cap in general but the stars will pull more because that's what the owners have created in order to get that TV money up. And this is without the gambling effect, which could easily take it to the 275-300M range. The single most underestimated figure is the estimated amount spent on gambling.
 
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