0 of 22 first round QBs drafted between 2009-2016 still with the team that drafted them

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Listening to Donny and Sorois on the Ticket and they are doing a segment called "First round QBs suck." and then went through all 22 QBs that were drafted in the first round during that time frame and it shocked even me that not a single one is still with the team that drafted him. And almost half of them are out of the league.. Most of the ones still around are backups and not one is playing at a high level consistently these days. Wow.. just wow.. All the more reason that the Cowboys need to hang onto the guy they got and not waste draft capital trying to replace what they already have. No don't destroy your cap with the deal.. but the evidence is overwhelming that drafting a QB in the first round does little or nothing to guarantee the guy's gonna turn out to be any good.
 

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Listening to Donny and Sorois on the Ticket and they are doing a segment called "First round QBs suck." and then went through all 22 QBs that were drafted in the first round during that time frame and it shocked even me that not a single one is still with the team that drafted him. And almost half of them are out of the league.. Most of the ones still around are backups and not one is playing at a high level consistently these days. Wow.. just wow.. All the more reason that the Cowboys need to hang onto the guy they got and not waste draft capital trying to replace what they already have. No don't destroy your cap with the deal.. but the evidence is overwhelming that drafting a QB in the first round does little or nothing to guarantee the guy's gonna turn out to be any good.
That's pretty remarkable when you think about it. Wow!
 

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Listening to Donny and Sorois on the Ticket and they are doing a segment called "First round QBs suck." and then went through all 22 QBs that were drafted in the first round during that time frame and it shocked even me that not a single one is still with the team that drafted him. And almost half of them are out of the league.. Most of the ones still around are backups and not one is playing at a high level consistently these days. Wow.. just wow.. All the more reason that the Cowboys need to hang onto the guy they got and not waste draft capital trying to replace what they already have. No don't destroy your cap with the deal.. but the evidence is overwhelming that drafting a QB in the first round does little or nothing to guarantee the guy's gonna turn out to be any good.

Says a lot about talent evaluation in the NFL, at least at that position. The last time Dallas tried to trade into the first round for a QB it was for Paxton Lynch. Thank John Elway for dodging that bullet.
 

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I also heard that some NFL scouts said it's tough to look at this without adding some caveats. Some of these QBs ended up with bad teams and bad situations. One scout said that people don't realize if you are a good QB who gets stuck on a bad team for years, it could stunt your development and end up out the league. Also, some guys taken by bad teams do get better after getting out from under the crap situations they are in (take Ryan Tannehill for example). There's no doubt the hit rate on first round QBs (shoot any round QB) isn't great but the 0 for 22 is a bit skewed according to what I had heard.

Last also note you are seeing some first round QBs in recent drafts have success - Mahomes and Allen for starters. Murray looks like a player. Burrow was off to a great start before getting hurt. Herbert was also playing very well for a rookie. Lamar Jackson has his warts but he's been pretty good. Mayfield also has his issues but he's been at least serviceable.
 

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Why not include 2017?


This is the definition of nitpicking

I am guessing they just went with 2016 because that was the year Dak was drafted. But if you are trying to make the case we need to bring Dak back because first round picks won't work out, like you said, it's a bit disingenuous to not include the last few drafts that have shown some pretty good QB prospects get drafted in the first round - Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc.
 

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I am guessing they just went with 2016 because that was the year Dak was drafted. But if you are trying to make the case we need to bring Dak back because first round picks won't work out, like you said, it's a bit disingenuous to not include the last few drafts that have shown some pretty good QB prospects get drafted in the first round - Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc.
Its also disingenuous to not include Dak's rookie year when talking about him as a QB. Yet. It happens daily on here lol.
 

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Go all the way back to the year 2000 and you will be shocked at the amount of 1st round QB's that were either total failures, career backups, or never lived up to their 1st round draft position. We are talking close to 65% of 1st round QB's fall into one of those three categories.
 

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I am guessing they just went with 2016 because that was the year Dak was drafted. But if you are trying to make the case we need to bring Dak back because first round picks won't work out, like you said, it's a bit disingenuous to not include the last few drafts that have shown some pretty good QB prospects get drafted in the first round - Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc.
While true...even if you add quarterbacks from later years.....still bad. Tribusky and Darnold are about to be added to that list. Deshaun is begging to join them.
 

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Why not include 2017?


This is the definition of nitpicking

Actually, what you're doing is nitpicking because you don't like the result. It's a defined period of factual information.

But as they say in every investment pitch, past performance is no predictor of future results...with the possible exceptions of Jerry and Stephen Jones.
 

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QBs are very, very hard to find.

The top 5 QBs in the NFL last year are something like:
Brady Late round pick
Mahomes --pick 10
Watson --pick 12
Russ --R3 pick 75
Rodgers --pick 21/2 iirc

Add Brees Round 2 as an elite who finally fell out of top 5.

You have really no decent shot at a true franchise guy drafting them top 5. It's all a crap shoot and if you are a bad team with no QB development they will certainly fail.


When you get a good QB you keep them until you replace them.
 

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Says a lot about talent evaluation in the NFL, at least at that position. The last time Dallas tried to trade into the first round for a QB it was for Paxton Lynch. Thank John Elway for dodging that bullet.

But I read on here hundreds, if not thousands of times. That only Dallas sucks at FO player acquisitions.
 

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Why not include 2017?


This is the definition of nitpicking

Not at all. First round picks in 2017: Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson. Teams own players for the first four years anyway, so through 2020. Trubisky is a bust, Mahomes is Mahomes, and Watson is demanding a trade and has unperformed.

After this free agency season my guess is only Mahomes is still with his original team. So probably 1 in 25.
 

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Crazy. Really only 7 of the 14 since then look safe to stay on the same team.
2009
Stafford
Sanchez
Freeman

2010
Bradford
Tebow

2011
Cam
Locker
Gabbert
Ponder

2012
Luck
RG3
Tannehill
Weedon

2013
EJ Manuel

2014
Bortles
Manziel
Bridgewater

2015
Winston
Mariota

2016
Goff
Wentz
Lynch

2017
Trubisky
X Mahomes
Watson

2018
X Mayfield
Darnold
X Allen
Rosen
X Jackson

2019
X Murray
X Jones
Haskins

2020
X Burrow
Tua
Love
 

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QBs are very, very hard to find.

The top 5 QBs in the NFL last year are something like:
Brady Late round pick
Mahomes --pick 10
Watson --pick 12
Russ --R3 pick 75
Rodgers --pick 21/2 iirc

Add Brees Round 2 as an elite who finally fell out of top 5.

You have really no decent shot at a true franchise guy drafting them top 5. It's all a crap shoot and if you are a bad team with no QB development they will certainly fail.


When you get a good QB you keep them until you replace them.

I would not include Watson in that group.
 
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