What happens if we dont even make the playoffs (likely)

CowboysFaninHouston said:

so I guess Watson didn't deserve his contract. Allen is about to get paid and I guess he doesn't deserve his upcoming contract.

Wilson is 1-3 in the past 5 years. he had Lynch and top 3 defense which they haven't been able to replicate.....I guess he ain't winning one, and as I said, he got paid as a thank you.

and based on your statement, if a team doesn't win it, none of the players on that team deserve a new contract....or is it just the QB?

and you think we can have a chance to win it, with the like of Choking Dalton!?

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What did Watson do to deserve that big a deal? To be paid as the best in the league then you should have won something and after you sign that deal go out and win something again. As for Allen lets see what he does before he signs his big deal. Dak has done nothing to deserve this big of a deal and he's not going to do anything the next 3 season to prove he deserved it either..maybe we get to another wild card game and lose it, that's the best i see. Lots of players don't deserve the deals they get and alot of players earn their big deals then do nothing after they sign them (mostly because they get satisified at that point) QB's get the biggest deals, with that comes the most scrutiny because they typically take up more of the cap space than the other stars on the team. I hope Dak goes out and wins a SB...but i just don't see it happenning..he's just not that good IMO.

Northern_Cowboy said:

Watson yes, Wilson and Mahomes got their big deals because they had already won a SB and gotten to others...big difference, some guys earned their big deals the others haven't

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I responded to your other post as well. if a team doesn't win it all, then no player on that team deserves a new contract. I guess Allen, Mayfield, Watson none, will deserve their contracts.....and Rodgers is about to get a new contract and he hasn't won anything in 10 years, is there a statute of limitation for how long you deserve a new contract since the last time you won anything?

so if Burrow doesn't win anything in the next 4 years, he doesn't deserve a second contract. Lawrence better win one in the next 5 years or he should be kicked to the curb. Herbert has to win one in the next 4 years or else he is not deserving. Mayfield has 2 years to fullfill his destiny or no new contract. allen has 2 years. Jackson has 2 years....

there are no guarantees in the NFL. you sign the players that give you the best chance to compete. the easiest path is to have a franchise QB, else you have no chance or extremely small chance. its much much much costlier to do it without a franchise QB, than it is with one.

Northern_Cowboy said:

What did Watson do to deserve that big a deal? To be paid as the best in the league then you should have won something and after you sign that deal go out and win something again. As for Allen lets see what he does before he signs his big deal. Dak has done nothing to deserve this big of a deal and he's not going to do anything the next 3 season to prove he deserved it either..maybe we get to another wild card game and lose it, that's the best i see. Lots of players don't deserve the deals they get and alot of players earn their big deals then do nothing after they sign them (mostly because they get satisified at that point) QB's get the biggest deals, with that comes the most scrutiny because they typically take up more of the cap space than the other stars on the team. I hope Dak goes out and wins a SB...but i just don't see it happenning..he's just not that good IMO.

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but that's the point, that's not how NFL works, its based on potential......and evidence of what they have seen while playing in the NFL. you clearly are putting the entire onus of winning and losing on the QB, where there are many other factors that are involved. do you seriously think Brady would have won 6 superbowls with Garrett and Linehan as his coaches? he maybe superman and GOAT, but he may have won one at most given those circumstances....I bet you we would have been much better team and perhaps in the superbowl if we had bilicheck as head coach. so should the teams not proceed with extending them, starting with Mayfield, Allen and Jackson.....right after which will be Tua, Burrow and Herbert.....

and thus, in the next 2-5 years, Allen, Mayfield, Burrow, Herbert, Jackson, Murray, Tua, and soon Lawrence, Wilson to be drafted will be up for new contracts....do you think all of them will win a superbowl (of course in 5 years impossible). so who doesn't deserve a contract? Given that Wilson, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers are still under contract and have a chance of winning too.

yes, QB get scrutinized, fairly or unfairly....

and in essence you just said, QBs get 4 years to win a superbowl, if they don't they should never be extended. so did this rule and opinion apply to Peyton Manning who went 0-4 in his first 4 playoff games? he got a second contract before winning a superbowl....he didn't deserve it and Indy made a mistake?

and I do think Dak has the potential to win it, but we can't put it all on his shoulder and his shoulder alone....this defense needs to improve and that has to come through the draft and better coaching and scheme....and lets hope MM doesn't screw things up. his track record of the past 5 years of coaching haven't been stellar.

Mobinvans said:

So now that we signed a gimped up average QB to a record contract....

What happens if we dont even make the playoffs.....which is very likely...Commanders have built themselves a nice Dline when Jerry wasnt looking

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A whole lot of finger pointing and name calling. People saying that everyone else is to blame. Defense sucks, Dak haters gonna hate, Dak lovers gonna love, etc.......

starfan1 said:

Dude I cant stand the haters but that is unnecessary

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Sorry I meant his sister...

CowboysFaninHouston said:

but that's the point, that's not how NFL works, its based on potential......and evidence of what they have seen while playing in the NFL. you clearly are putting the entire onus of winning and losing on the QB, where there are many other factors that are involved. do you seriously think Brady would have won 6 superbowls with Garrett and Linehan as his coaches? he maybe superman and GOAT, but he may have won one at most given those circumstances....I bet you we would have been much better team and perhaps in the superbowl if we had bilicheck as head coach.

and thus, in the next 2-5 years, Allen, Mayfield, Burrow, Herbert, Jackson, Murray, Tua, and soon Lawrence, Wilson to be drafted will be up for new contracts....do you think all of them will win a superbowl (of course in 5 years impossible). so who doesn't deserve a contract? Given that Wilson, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers are still under contract and have a chance of winning too.

yes, QB get scrutinized, fairly or unfairly....

and I do think Dak has the potential to win it, but we can't put it all on his shoulder and his shoulder alone....this defense needs to improve and that has to come through the draft and better coaching and scheme....and lets hope MM doesn't screw things up. his track record of the past 5 years of coaching haven't been stellar.

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Being paid on potential is fine and alot of that is done in the NFL. Allen is going to sign a new deal sometime this season or next. The Bills will base his potential of getting to s SB on him already getting to a championship game and by the fact he has improved leaps and bounds every single season he has been in the league. Wanting to be paid as the best in the game when you have done nothing except win a wild card game is nuts whats even more nuts is they gave it to him. And don't misunderstand me i do not blame Dak one bit for getting as much money as he can, careers are short, the Cowboys gave him the money..good for him, but i can debate whether or not he is worth it and in my opinion he is not. We can agree to disagree

Mobinvans said:

Lick my wounds from what?...pretty much the entire football world believes the same thing

we drastically overpaid for a average QB coming off a season ending devastating injury

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Yeah, that is pretty much the way I see it.

Basically, Jerry clinging to the 1990s and saying he can build it again. Aikman, Emmitt, and Irvin (Dak, Elliott, and Cooper).

2020 was a warning to change course. Instead, Jerry and Stephen tripled down for the next 4 years on their same losing hand they played the past 4 years. Not going to work.

BobbyFlame469 said:

Dak is the most talented QB we ever had

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This could be a record breaking season for our FO. We could be the first team ever to go 0-17.

BobbyFlame469 said:

Wrong.

Dak is the most talented QB we ever had

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I like Dak, but not $40M / year Like him... and I would take Romo over Dak as the most talented QB we ever had.

Mobinvans said:

Commanders have built themselves a nice Dline when Jerry wasnt looking

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And how many game did they win?

hittheskids said:

Jerry makes 40M this year in Prescott jersey sales. Don't think he cares too much about winning on the field, he wins at the bank.

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Even he wants to put a new shine on the star. Its been too long and at some point there will be a much smaller market to work.

BobbyFlame469 said:

Dak in his third year was better than Romo ever was

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TR was better in the one drive they allowed him to play in the game against the Eagles with the third string than Dak was in an entire half with the starters in a game that meant nothing.

Think if he doesn't get injured the Cowboys win the East?

PHL and WFT have QB issues and the NYG aren't really sure and will have to make that call this year.

The Cowboys, with Prescott, will have a contending offense. They will play with anyone. With the defenses in the NFL right now, that's good enough to get them to the NFCCG but at minimum, the divisional round.

This D is not getting fixed in one off season but if they start over on the O side with a rookie QB, the team is in rebuild and that is a word you will not hear Booger use because you cannot market or promote a rebuild.

And don't be surprised if they use that 1st pick on offense again with Pitts or an OT. Hell, I wouldn't put trading Gallup away and taking the last WR standing between Chase, Smith and Waddle past them. You give Booger a high flying offense with stars and he's an old Hog neck deep in corncobs.

Northern_Cowboy said:

Being paid on potential is fine and alot of that is done in the NFL. Allen is going to sign a new deal sometime this season or next. The Bills will base his potential of getting to s SB on him already getting to a championship game and by the fact he has improved leaps and bounds every single season he has been in the league. Wanting to be paid as the best in the game when you have done nothing except win a wild card game is nuts whats even more nuts is they gave it to him. And don't misunderstand me i do not blame Dak one bit for getting as much money as he can, careers are short, the Cowboys gave him the money..good for him, but i can debate whether or not he is worth it and in my opinion he is not. We can agree to disagree

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well, Dak got paid on potential and he has improved every year. like I have been saying, there is a lot of factors go into a team making runs in the playoffs and having success.

Allen couldn't do it until he got surronded by a lot of talent. he has had the benefit of the #2 defense for several years. so Allen needs a lot of support. seemingly.....
and I don't set the NFL market, the NFL players and Owners do.....facts are that Dak is considered a top 10 and top 6 by many..... that's the going rate....I am sure Allen will shatter that.

and seemingly you are adding more qualifiers to your argument, spinning as they say. first you said if they don't win a superbowl. now you say he deserves it because he got to championship game. so is the bar being lowered? what if he gets his money and he doesn't reach that level of TEAM accomplishment again. I guess that would be considered a colossal mistake.

and don't forget allen didn't exactly light it up in playoffs. their defense held the opposition to 3 points to help them advance....would you think we would have advanced far, if we did that? against the Rams we gave up 200+ yards rushing...what if we held them to 3 points? can we get that please....

and in reality, Allen has reached playoffs 2 years and is 2-2, as opposed to Dak being 1-2....so one more playoff win and you deserve a 45M contract, and one less playoff win, you are not deserving?

kskboys said:

Huh? We have cap room? Where is that info from?

Since you're such a dooshbag, why don't you leave the site instead of throwing around cheap little grade school insults? We'd all appreciate it.

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How is what I said an insult? Because you don't want to do research for yourself? Lol Come on man... Stop listening to the talking heads, they will lead you astray.

As of today we don't know the cap, since the TV deal isn't finalized yet. Also, they can restructure players contract to make room for a FA or two. I'm not sure why people think Daks contract kills the cap, especially for this year.

mardwin said:

The last time I checked Dalton won the game against the Giants.

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Then you should do some research so you don't look so silly.

Still waiting on you to tell us why the team couldn't carry Dalton last season or Dinucci or why Zeke, Cooper, Gallup and Lamb all had much worst games without Dak or why the offense couldn't score even Dak got injured.

Without Dak and Romo the other QBs went 4-7 and 1-11. If the team carries Dak how come they can't other QBs or why they can't get "garbage stats" when some of the games were complete blowouts and Dalton managed 3 points and 7 points.

Also if Dalton is the reason they beat the giants last season how come here couldn't beat then with a full game without Dak giving him a lead at the end of the 3red quarter........

CouchCoach said:

Think if he doesn't get injured the Cowboys win the East?

PHL and WFT have QB issues and the NYG aren't really sure and will have to make that call this year.

The Cowboys, with Prescott, will have a contending offense. They will play with anyone. With the defenses in the NFL right now, that's good enough to get them to the NFCCG but at minimum, the divisional round.

This D is not getting fixed in one off season but if they start over on the O side with a rookie QB, the team is in rebuild and that is a word you will not hear Booger use because you cannot market or promote a rebuild.

And don't be surprised if they use that 1st pick on offense again with Pitts or an OT. Hell, I wouldn't put trading Gallup away and taking the last WR standing between Chase, Smith and Waddle past them. You give Booger a high flying offense with stars and he's an old Hog neck deep in corncobs.

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Certainly a winnable division.
The bar is unbelievably...almost historically... low. Especially if Washington does not get a QB

CowboysFaninHouston said:

no, glad you came up with that..... so just one other player in history of NFL? is that it? you are complaining about a historic Rookie performance.....you are complaining why he didn't win the superbowl in 2016? holding him at fault?

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Nope just pointing out that 2004 Pittsburgh team that made the AFC championship. I didn't think that 2016 team was going farther than it got. I never bought into the hype of the season.

I predict Kellen Moore Is the new head coach in early December