The future of the Dallas Cowboys

DandyDon52 · Mar 25, 2021

Blackrain said:
You are spot on Don its like our second round draft pick was where Jerry got his gambling fix every year hoping to hit on a winner so he could take credit as a football genius LOL
Its funny they settled for Dak as he wasnt who Jerry wanted . We really just blundered into him and got lucky . But of course Jerry was in the middle of his coaching experiment with Garrett and we couldnt take advantage of Dak and Zeke while they were on rookie money

couldnt take advantage of Dak and Zeke while they were on rookie money...... this is what dak fans and others dont get, if they couldnt build a winning team
then, how do they expect jerry to do it now, while paying dak ,zeke,cooper, lawrence, jaylon, all top pay !
Heck those guys get all the money, big chunk of the cap, and they couldnt win before so why expect them to be great team now?

JG did hold that 2016-19 team back, but jerry hires a HC who seems to be worse than JG lol.
Quinn might be a good hire, but kellen and MM, I just dont think they are even average coaches.

gjkoeppen · Mar 25, 2021

Blackrain said:
I agree Jerry is restricted and has no control over the cap . IMO this is all the more reason for him to hire the best GM money can buy . He flat out needs someone who is better at it than he or any of his family . He needs someone who views it as their JOB not their Hobby like he dose . When its your JOB there are expectations and accountability .

The way Jerry dose rolls its like a constant crap shoot rolling the dice on injured players or ones with suspect characters always hoping to pull a HOFer out of the scrap pile . Its like How many years do we have to watch a cobbled together Defense with medically mediocre LBs horrible secondary play and Zero Priority given to the DT position . Edge Rushers on dope or cant get along with the coach , wasted picks !!

Now we are trying to fix the defense with everybody they can find with an Achilles tear . Where dose it end ?? After a while you just get totally disgusted with Jerrys team building philosophy . We need a change !!

First off you're just like so many others that whine when Jones doesn't sign or draft the players you want. You're another one that thinks Jones should do whatever it takes to sign the players you want even if it means putting them back in the vicious cycle they were caught in when the cap started and lasted for 20 years by restructuring contracts that ends up putting dead money on the cap and then having to restructure the next year because dead money chewed up to much cap space and there we go stuck in the vicious cycle again. Jones has signed the players he has with limited cap space. Unfortunately most teams because of the reduced cap this season have found themselves having to do a lot of restructuring of contracts that those who actually know caps have been quoted in articles saying that this season's restructurings very well may put teams at jeopardy of in the next couple years being in that same vicious cycle. Lastly please list all of the NFL teams that have followed your comments and have called you begging you to be their new GM. Oh wait, 1-800-couch GM number is no longer in service.
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The Fonz · Mar 25, 2021

Time has changed culture has changed the past is over . don't take the current sport industry seriously it is nothing but a reality show

NoLuv4Jerry · Mar 25, 2021

DBOY3141 said:
at some point this will stop...they have to start winning and competing for championships...not just the NFCE. most of us fans that are over 50 and remember Landry/Schramm/Johnson will not be around for another 25 years. if Stephen continues to do what Jerry does.....the money/ratings will dry up.

If the money/ratings dry up....it will be WELL DESESRVED!!!!!!

It is unconscionable what they have done to a franchise many of us fell in love with BEFORE the Jones family took over.

You don't have to win the Super Bowl ever year...but when every NFC team except the Cowboys, Lions and WFT have made the NFCG since the mid 90s....it paints a disgusting picture. I think the Panthers were an expansion team in the mid 90s...and they have been to 2 Super Bowls since we went. The Saints were a laughing stock for seemingly forever...and they've won a Super Bowl. The Bucs? Are you kidding? The Bucs won more playoff games last year than we have won in the last 25 years COMBINED!!!! It is no longer embarassing....it is actually exhausting to even talk about!!

tyke1doe · Mar 25, 2021

Every year, I get more disillusioned with the Cowboys.
Naturally, I'll get excited about the draft, but my enthusiasm is not nearly as what it was in previous years.
Maybe it's the pandemic; maybe I'm just getting older; maybe I simply have no confidence in the Jones. 25 years of futility and counting can do that to you.
But I approach this next season with a "blah" aura hanging over me as it relates to the Cowboys.
Losses use to hurt. Badly. Especially the first loss because I was always thinking "undefeated season."
Now. Meh!
Waiting to jump back on the emotional bandwagon. But that likely won't happen until the playoffs and a win that will propel us into the NFC Championship.
Anything less will be "Be there, disappointed that." Shrug.

Blackrain · Mar 29, 2021

gjkoeppen said:
First off you're just like so many others that whine when Jones doesn't sign or draft the players you want. You're another one that thinks Jones should do whatever it takes to sign the players you want even if it means putting them back in the vicious cycle they were caught in when the cap started and lasted for 20 years by restructuring contracts that ends up putting dead money on the cap and then having to restructure the next year because dead money chewed up to much cap space and there we go stuck in the vicious cycle again. Jones has signed the players he has with limited cap space. Unfortunately most teams because of the reduced cap this season have found themselves having to do a lot of restructuring of contracts that those who actually know caps have been quoted in articles saying that this season's restructurings very well may put teams at jeopardy of in the next couple years being in that same vicious cycle. Lastly please list all of the NFL teams that have followed your comments and have called you begging you to be their new GM. Oh wait, 1-800-couch GM number is no longer in service.
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It has nothing to do with the players that I want . Its all about players that can help the team NOW!! not when they rehab from injury or get themselves off DOPE . Its about players that live up to expectations and put the team first not doing things to get suspended .
Get a clue on team building . Its as much about getting healthy , smart , High Character players as it is about scouting talent . There are better people out there to judge players than Jerry Jones or any of his offspring and he has the money to get them but refuses to let others play with his TOY our team the Dallas Cowboys. We will continue to have mediocre results at best as long as Jerry wants the Cowboys as a family hobby more than a Superbowl contender .

You can make all the excuses you want every team opperates under the same Cap restraints as we do difference is most have better people working around those constraints whose job it is to build Superbowl contending teams .
People who have to be accountable because their Jobs depend on their success not like our situation where there is ZERO accountability because its the family hobby . Heck Jerry even admitted it .
Making the playoffs is our SB and its been proven conclusively for a quarter century with Jerry in charge

stiletto · Mar 29, 2021

sportsman said:
As a fan of the Cowboys for 50+ years. I treasure the memories of Tom Landry, Tex Schramm & Jimmy Johnson. They are the reason Jerry has been able to load his bank account the last 25 years without providing fans a winning product. The name Dallas Cowboys is the Amazon of football. No brag...Just facts. The product wins without winning.

So don't expect anything to change in the way the Cowboys FO do business. Why change when you don't have too.

It will be pretty much the same we've seen the last 20+ years as long as the FO doesn't truly care about Defensive football. We are lucky we have had a couple QB's that make us relevant because the Defenses have been a total embarrassment for years. The Cowboys have NEVER won anything significant without a year in and out top tier Defensive unit. It is what it is.

jnday · Mar 29, 2021

basel90 said:
jerry's ego and commerical zeal saved the cowboys in the late 80s but his strong commercial drive has dominated the way he runs the team . Despite the fact it is a a cap game. he prefers stars and shiny objects over building a TEAM based on talent and stout defense.
I believe stephen has tried to stop that approach but he has not won many battles against jerry and his assistants.

Stephen is the total opposite of Jerry. Jerry used to sign the big FAs. Stephen looks at nothing but the cost without regard for the team’s needs. He is a tightwad.

gjkoeppen · Mar 29, 2021

Blackrain said:
It has nothing to do with the players that I want . Its all about players that can help the team NOW!! not when they rehab from injury or get themselves off DOPE . Its about players that live up to expectations and put the team first not doing things to get suspended .
Get a clue on team building . Its as much about getting healthy , smart , High Character players as it is about scouting talent . There are better people out there to judge players than Jerry Jones or any of his offspring and he has the money to get them but refuses to let others play with his TOY our team the Dallas Cowboys. We will continue to have mediocre results at best as long as Jerry wants the Cowboys as a family hobby more than a Superbowl contender .

You can make all the excuses you want every team opperates under the same Cap restraints as we do difference is most have better people working around those constraints whose job it is to build Superbowl contending teams .
People who have to be accountable because their Jobs depend on their success not like our situation where there is ZERO accountability because its the family hobby . Heck Jerry even admitted it .
Making the playoffs is our SB and its been proven conclusively for a quarter century with Jerry in charge

Here you go again doing EXACTLY what I said and that is whining because Jones did sign the free agents YOU thought he should. Oh buy the way NO TEAM had to do to the degree that the Cowboys did when the cap started and because of that it kept the Cowboys in cap hell for 20 years having to repeat that vicious cycle every year. You act like the Cowboys have always have loads of cap space to be able to go out and sign whatever free agent they wanted and that couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. You didn't list all of those teams that are knocking down your door or ringing your phone non stop to sign you as their new GM.
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gjkoeppen · Mar 29, 2021

jnday said:
Stephen is the total opposite of Jerry. Jerry used to sign the big FAs. Stephen looks at nothing but the cost without regard for the team’s needs. He is a tightwad.

Jerry used to restructure many contracts every year for cap space that kept adding dead money down the road keeping that vicious cycle going. When Stephen took over contracts he saw what that did and pretty much stopped that restructuring contracts so less money gets added as dead money. It's taken a few years to get where they are and there is still some dead money but it's getting less and less. This year because of the situation with the 2021 cap there probably will be some dead money added but this year it really couldn't have been helped. If only signing big name free agents that could add dead money down the road making the future harder to deal with came with guarantees that they would win Super Bowls maybe Stephen would risk making future seasons harder on the cap, but there isn't any such guarantee.
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Blackrain · Mar 29, 2021

gjkoeppen said:
Here you go again doing EXACTLY what I said and that is whining because Jones did sign the free agents YOU thought he should. Oh buy the way NO TEAM had to do to the degree that the Cowboys did when the cap started and because of that it kept the Cowboys in cap hell for 20 years having to repeat that vicious cycle every year. You act like the Cowboys have always have loads of cap space to be able to go out and sign whatever free agent they wanted and that couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. You didn't list all of those teams that are knocking down your door or ringing your phone non stop to sign you as their new GM.
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Who did I mention that I wanted signed in FA that wasnt signed . WHEN THE CAP STARTED !!!! Thats your excuse that Jerry was so poor a team builder that its unfair to expect better results because of what happened 20+ yrs ago
The freakin Eagles had their whole team decimated by Chip Kelly and rebounded back blew right past us and won a SB while we wallowed in the mediocrity of Jason 8-8 Garrett . Couldn't coach well enough to get us to the playoffs but just well enough to keep us from drafting well in the NFL purgatory of 8-8 . Of course we dont have loads of cap space because we dont have anyone good at making tough decisions with personnel . We continually over pay people that dont perform. There is no accountability.

The Garrett experiment wasted Dak and Zekes rookie contracts when we should have had money to put talent around them and contend for a SB . Its not all the players poor coaching is another part of Jerrys team building failure because he needs the credit . We can also add in paying players past their prime rather than getting rid of them a year early .

CWR · Mar 29, 2021

These threads are common place after a losing season. We will win double digit games and the East this year, and hope will once again be high. No one talks about the culture when we win 13 games.

Redball Express · Mar 29, 2021

sportsman said:
As a fan of the Cowboys for 50+ years. I treasure the memories of Tom Landry, Tex Schramm & Jimmy Johnson. They are the reason Jerry has been able to load his bank account the last 25 years without providing fans a winning product. The name Dallas Cowboys is the Amazon of football. No brag...Just facts. The product wins without winning.

So don't expect anything to change in the way the Cowboys FO do business. Why change when you don't have too.

I have zero problems with
Jerrah as owner Other titles yes . he needs help with things.

gjkoeppen · Mar 29, 2021

Blackrain said:
Who did I mention that I wanted signed in FA that wasnt signed . WHEN THE CAP STARTED !!!! Thats your excuse that Jerry was so poor a team builder that its unfair to expect better results because of what happened 20+ yrs ago
The freakin Eagles had their whole team decimated by Chip Kelly and rebounded back blew right past us and won a SB while we wallowed in the mediocrity of Jason 8-8 Garrett . Couldn't coach well enough to get us to the playoffs but just well enough to keep us from drafting well in the NFL purgatory of 8-8 . Of course we dont have loads of cap space because we dont have anyone good at making tough decisions with personnel . We continually over pay people that dont perform. There is no accountability.

The Garrett experiment wasted Dak and Zekes rookie contracts when we should have had money to put talent around them and contend for a SB . Its not all the players poor coaching is another part of Jerrys team building failure because he needs the credit . We can also add in paying players past their prime rather than getting rid of them a year early .

Even though you think you are the worlds greatest capologist and GM and you really think your phone is going to ring in 30 seconds with an offer to be an NFL team's new GM, in reality you are clueless on the history of the cap and the affects it has had on the Cowboys since it started all the way until just a few years ago. The well publicized problems the saints had this year with the cap isn't as bad as what the Cowboys went through when the cap started. There were players the Cowboys had to let walk, some they had to release and had to restructure so many contracts just to get under the cap and be able to resign just a couple of core players. Of the players they had to release their left over money hit the dead cap money the very next year. So what happened in following years, the Cowboys had to restructure more contracts and release a couple more players to get some cap space above the dead money just to resign a couple of core players contracts up that year. There were a couple of times Jerry restructured some more contracts to get some cal space to sign a good free agent. And so that vicious cycle started. Unlike now, their was no rookie cap limits and rookies taken in the 1st round got huge contracts but for the Cowboys to be able to sign their high picks of course contracts had to be restructured and/or a player released all again adding more dead money and there's that vicious cycle again. This continued until Stephen took over contracts and saw what that cycle did and he decided to stop that cycle that went on for 20 years. Finally the Cowboys weren't held back by such a huge amount of dead money the past couple of years.

As far as your whine about wasting Prescott and Elliott in 2016 the Cowboys went 13-3 with Prescott and Elliott and here's where the whining starts. The patriots in 2011 went 13-3 and were the overwhelming favorite to winning the Super Bowl. They got to the Super Bowl and played the giants who were 9-7. The giants won the Super Bowl and what that proves to the whiners is the whiners always say if the Cowboys had this player or that player or coach they would have won Super Bowls but fail to realize that like the 2011 patriots who everyone thought for sure was the best team in the league they got beat by a team most thought were lucky to even get in the playoffs. That having this player or that player or coach DOES NOT guarantee a Super Bowl win. Here's another fact, that all the whining here does not nor will it ever change what has happened. My last question for you is since you have such strong hatred for so much about the Cowboys why do you continue to follow the Cowboys and don't just find a team that does exactly what you like and become a fan of that team? By your continual whining and negative comments about the Cowboys you really can't be a Cowboys fan.
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ArtClink · Mar 29, 2021

plasticman said:
After 20 consecutive years of winning. Tom Landry earned time to rebuild the Cowboys and he would have done exactly that. I'm not saying he would have matched Jimmy Johnson's results and it's true that what Jimmy did was fantastic. Even so, Tom Landry deserved better.

It was no secret that Landry was going to draft Troy Aikman. They already had Michael Irvin. Tom Landry was even working on a new defense. Landry had planned on staying two more seasons.

Tom Landry was called old and it was said the game had passed him by.

B.S.!

Half of what we still see today when we watch an NFL game was invented by Tom Landry. He would have changed the game before he let it pass him by.

Tom Landry was fired 6 years after the last time he led them to an NFC championship game.

How old is that hypocrite that calls himself a GM? When was the last time the Cowboy played in an NFC championship game?

This post is spot on!

Seven · Mar 29, 2021

Blackrain said:
It has nothing to do with the players that I want . Its all about players that can help the team NOW!! not when they rehab from injury or get themselves off DOPE . Its about players that live up to expectations and put the team first not doing things to get suspended .
Get a clue on team building . Its as much about getting healthy , smart , High Character players as it is about scouting talent . There are better people out there to judge players than Jerry Jones or any of his offspring and he has the money to get them but refuses to let others play with his TOY our team the Dallas Cowboys. We will continue to have mediocre results at best as long as Jerry wants the Cowboys as a family hobby more than a Superbowl contender .

You can make all the excuses you want every team opperates under the same Cap restraints as we do difference is most have better people working around those constraints whose job it is to build Superbowl contending teams .
People who have to be accountable because their Jobs depend on their success not like our situation where there is ZERO accountability because its the family hobby . Heck Jerry even admitted it .
Making the playoffs is our SB and its been proven conclusively for a quarter century with Jerry in charge

DOPE...Really? Define it.

WHO died and left YOU king of the Moral Mountain?

Way to embellish in a VERY feeble attempt to bolster you narrative.

Yah, Jerry is the problem......but seriously.

Blackrain · Mar 30, 2021

gjkoeppen said:
Even though you think you are the worlds greatest capologist and GM and you really think your phone is going to ring in 30 seconds with an offer to be an NFL team's new GM, in reality you are clueless on the history of the cap and the affects it has had on the Cowboys since it started all the way until just a few years ago. The well publicized problems the saints had this year with the cap isn't as bad as what the Cowboys went through when the cap started. There were players the Cowboys had to let walk, some they had to release and had to restructure so many contracts just to get under the cap and be able to resign just a couple of core players. Of the players they had to release their left over money hit the dead cap money the very next year. So what happened in following years, the Cowboys had to restructure more contracts and release a couple more players to get some cap space above the dead money just to resign a couple of core players contracts up that year. There were a couple of times Jerry restructured some more contracts to get some cal space to sign a good free agent. And so that vicious cycle started. Unlike now, their was no rookie cap limits and rookies taken in the 1st round got huge contracts but for the Cowboys to be able to sign their high picks of course contracts had to be restructured and/or a player released all again adding more dead money and there's that vicious cycle again. This continued until Stephen took over contracts and saw what that cycle did and he decided to stop that cycle that went on for 20 years. Finally the Cowboys weren't held back by such a huge amount of dead money the past couple of years.

As far as your whine about wasting Prescott and Elliott in 2016 the Cowboys went 13-3 with Prescott and Elliott and here's where the whining starts. The patriots in 2011 went 13-3 and were the overwhelming favorite to winning the Super Bowl. They got to the Super Bowl and played the giants who were 9-7. The giants won the Super Bowl and what that proves to the whiners is the whiners always say if the Cowboys had this player or that player or coach they would have won Super Bowls but fail to realize that like the 2011 patriots who everyone thought for sure was the best team in the league they got beat by a team most thought were lucky to even get in the playoffs. That having this player or that player or coach DOES NOT guarantee a Super Bowl win. Here's another fact, that all the whining here does not nor will it ever change what has happened. My last question for you is since you have such strong hatred for so much about the Cowboys why do you continue to follow the Cowboys and don't just find a team that does exactly what you like and become a fan of that team? By your continual whining and negative comments about the Cowboys you really can't be a Cowboys fan.
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I dont hate the Cowboys . I hate it that a rich ego manic that dosent know his own limitations has control over the team and cares more about proving he is a football guy than he dose about winning Super Bowls . That team beating the Pats or at least playing against them could have easily been us if we had not been swept by the Giants that year .

Sure on any given Sunday the underdog can beat the favorite in a big game just not us . We are never coached that well anymore . Keep your head in the sand and believe all is well and Stephen will take us to the promised land . If Jerry sold the team the interesting thing would be when Stephens phone would ring for a GM job . It wouldnt . Enjoy the failure and continue to make excuses

Blackrain · Mar 30, 2021

Seven said:
DOPE...Really? Define it.

WHO died and left YOU king of the Moral Mountain?

Way to embellish in a VERY feeble attempt to bolster you narrative.

Yah, Jerry is the problem......but seriously.

DOPE That would be an IDIOT that continually violates the substance policy of their employer and squanders a promising career .

Sorry Cheech didnt mean to hit a nerve LOLOL

gjkoeppen · Mar 30, 2021

Blackrain said:
I dont hate the Cowboys . I hate it that a rich ego manic that dosent know his own limitations has control over the team and cares more about proving he is a football guy than he dose about winning Super Bowls . That team beating the Pats or at least playing against them could have easily been us if we had not been swept by the Giants that year .

Sure on any given Sunday the underdog can beat the favorite in a big game just not us . We are never coached that well anymore . Keep your head in the sand and believe all is well and Stephen will take us to the promised land . If Jerry sold the team the interesting thing would be when Stephens phone would ring for a GM job . It wouldnt . Enjoy the failure and continue to make excuses

Because of your hatred for Jones, you can't see things that don't add up with your thinking. Jones was very instrumental in the Cowboys winning the 3 Super Bowls in the 90's. Proof was in the pregame round table discussion on Super Bowl XLV in Dallas. In that discussion with Aikman, Johnston, Emmitt, Irvin, Jones and Johnson where Johnson admitted he didn't have all the power and authority those outside of the organization thought he had. It also came out that in his first 2 drafts Jones over ruled him on who he initially wanted to take with their first picks. In 1989 Johnson originally wanted to take Tony Mandarich with the first pick and Jones over ruled him and the Cowboys took Aikman. Johnson had a problem with Aikman because he turned down Johnson on a scholarship when Aikman transferred from OU to UCLA and then in 1990 Johnson convinced Jones to trade up to take James Francis a LB and about 2 minutes after the trade was completed the begals took Francis. So Johnson then wanted to take LB Tony Bennett and jones said no and over ruled him and the Cowboys took Emmitt.. So because of Jones 2 out of the 3 triplets came to Dallas, Irvin was already there the year before Jones bought the team.

Your what if with what if the Cowboys had beaten the giants and gotten into the playoffs by no means in any stretch of anyone's imagination was a guarantee the Cowboys would have gotten to the Super Bowl and beaten the patriots. There would have been no guarantee the Cowboys would have beaten the falcons then packers in Green Bay and then the 49er in Frisco. I wish it would have happened and even though there have been things that Jones has done that I really don't like, I don't disregard all the things that Jones has done that helped the Cowboys. I also don't let those things that Jones has done cloud me from the fact that there are former Cowboys players and coaches that have said they've never been around an owner that wants to win as bad or as much as Jones does and that he was always working on building a winning team.

The huge difference between me and people like you is I know to continually whine about Jones and doing your what ifs will not change a single thing except grow negativity towards the Cowboys. Because neither Jerry or Stephen read a single thing here all of the negative comments will not change a single thing you want changed. All the negative comments do is show those who are fans of other teams that the Cowboys have fans just like the eagles and most people think the eagles have the worse fans in sports.
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basel90 · Mar 30, 2021

jnday said:
Stephen is the total opposite of Jerry. Jerry used to sign the big FAs. Stephen looks at nothing but the cost without regard for the team’s needs. He is a tightwad.

Yes but he seems to have stopped some of Jerry’s crazy signings and decisions sometimes. Like the Johnny Manzel idea . I also think Stephen did not want to pay zeke that crazy contract .

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