The Cost of Momentum

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This team has no idea how to build a roster with the traditional resources it has.

You guys expect them to manipulate the system to improve their ability to build their roster? Lolol
And you'd be *****ing if they were part of one of these trades. Mark it.
 

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The shame is in creating this thread as if it's some unique discovery that hasn't been true in pro sports for practically an entire century.

Everyone knows that losing games gets better draft picks. Water is wet, also.

That's not even mentioning the fact that the Eagles were colossally stupid to trade down, because they don't have a quarterback, or the fact that the Dolphins were potentially stupid, because they don't know if they have a quarterback.
 

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The only shame, is being a fan that wants his team to lose.
I never ever want my team to lose.
I do want my team to have lost, though.
There's no contradiction.
(I agree that I find the idea of actually rooting for them to lose distasteful, but I'm not the fandom police: there are lots of ways to be a fan).
 

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And that would have been the last win of the season and we would be picking at 19.

When Dak went down and both stating OT's were out for the year, I would have released Dalton and played whatever QB I could find off the street.
because you were team tank obviously. I am never team tank regardless of circumstances so we are at 10 which we can still get what we need. Who at #3 would you have wanted? If you say QB go outside and punch yourself.if you are saying being at 3 would help for trade down then i agree.
 

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As teams like the Dolphins and Eagles load up on first round draft picks due to their ability to offer premium picks for QBs....too bad they won't carry over any momentum from late wins last season that Dallas got.

In all seriousness I was pillared for hoping the team lost to close out the season. No, our hopes don't influence what happens on the field. But I hope people now recognize the cost of a few meaningless wins.

When you have a lost season you would hope it leads to the type of haul Miami and to a lesser extent Philly received.

Shame.
The Jets have been losing and securing high draft picks for the last 50 years.

I am sure this is all going to pay off for them sometime soon.
 

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As much as I DO see the logic in the team tank theory, a team cannot TRY to lose.

Philly attempted that with disastrous results IMO.

Dallas was flat out better than Cincinnati, SF and Philly late in the season when they played them.

Its well within the realm of hope that a team will want to come up to 10 for Mac Jones, and we end up with several players to fix this defense sooner than later.

That's why we can never tank. We're always better than everyone else.
 

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I never ever want my team to lose.
I do want my team to have lost, though.
There's no contradiction.
(I agree that I find the idea of actually rooting for them to lose distasteful, but I'm not the fandom police: there are lots of ways to be a fan).
Chess vs. checkers.
 

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Yea ...... Tanking the season on purpose will sure do a lot of good for the young guys.

"Hey kids ...... Make sure you always play hard, except when some guy on the internet wants you to lose on purpose.
Go out there and half *** it and risk getting hurt trying to lose."
 
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I never ever want my team to lose.
I do want my team to have lost, though.
There's no contradiction.
(I agree that I find the idea of actually rooting for them to lose distasteful, but I'm not the fandom police: there are lots of ways to be a fan).
Hindsight is very clear, would we trade going 0-32 for a SB? Maybe, but we would have been miserable during that stretch. One game at a time, brother!!
 

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Yea ...... Tanking the season on purpose will sure do a lot of good for the young guys.

"Hey kids ...... Make sure you always play hard except when some guys on the internet want you to lose on purpose.
Go out there and half *** it and risk getting hurt trying to lose."
You don't have to tank. This is what one side of the argument either can't or won't understand. You make decisions with the long term interest in mind rather than the short term goal of simply winning on Sunday.

Example, we knew Andy Dalton wasn't the future for the Cowboys. Instead of playing him, we should have played Gilbert more to see if he is a viable back up QB or if we need to move on. Those games Dalton played could have been used to develop Gilbert. Then we would know if we need to move on from him and find another back up QB or, if we did keep him, he's got more game time experience.

Another example, we play Pollard and rest Zeke more. It saves Zeke's body for more carries in a season that hopefully matters instead of wearing down his tread in a season you know the team can't win the SB in.

You essentially treat those games like preseason games where the scoreboard isn't the primary goal. Putting the team in the best position later is the the goal, whether you win or lose.
 

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I was Team Tank, but it was more a fantasy.
In truth, I know players aren't going to tank, so wishing it so is a waste of time.
And getting mad because they don't is simply unrealistic.
So, while I wish Dallas was drafting higher, I'm not upset that they're not because I don't control what players do.

So ....... let's make it work with the 10th pick of the 1st round.
 

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You don't have to tank. This is what one side of the argument either can't or won't understand. You make decisions with the long term interest in mind rather than the short term goal of simply winning on Sunday.

Example, we knew Andy Dalton wasn't the future for the Cowboys. Instead of playing him, we should have played Gilbert more to see if he is a viable back up QB or if we need to move on. Those games Dalton played could have been used to develop Gilbert. Then we would know if we need to move on from him and find another back up QB or, if we did keep him, he's got more game time experience.

Another example, we play Pollard and rest Zeke more. It saves Zeke's body for more carries in a season that hopefully matters instead of wearing down his tread in a season you know the team can't win the SB in.

You essentially treat those games like preseason games where the scoreboard isn't the primary goal. Putting the team in the best position later is the the goal, whether you win or lose.

You are still risking guys getting hurt trying to lose.

That's what one side of this stupid argument can't or won't understand.
 

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You are still risking guys getting hurt trying to lose.

That's what one side of this stupid argument can't or won't understand.
No, I'm not because they aren't trying to lose. They are still trying to win. Just like preseason. Teams aren't trying to lose, they just don't pull out all the stops to win.
 

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Like I said in another post the Eagles trade now has given us a blueprint of what it will cost if a team wants to move up at least 6 spots to get our 10. If not they don't do the trade.
 

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No, I'm not because they aren't trying to lose. They are still trying to win.

But you are setting yourself up to lose by not playing the "best" players .......how is one of those players you deem expendable gonna react when he gets injured in games you are treating like preseason games ......

" Hey kid make sure you play hard even when we are not putting you in the best scenario to win ........ If you get hurt ...... Tough.
 

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You don't have to tank. This is what one side of the argument either can't or won't understand. You make decisions with the long term interest in mind rather than the short term goal of simply winning on Sunday.

Example, we knew Andy Dalton wasn't the future for the Cowboys. Instead of playing him, we should have played Gilbert more to see if he is a viable back up QB or if we need to move on. Those games Dalton played could have been used to develop Gilbert. Then we would know if we need to move on from him and find another back up QB or, if we did keep him, he's got more game time experience.

Another example, we play Pollard and rest Zeke more. It saves Zeke's body for more carries in a season that hopefully matters instead of wearing down his tread in a season you know the team can't win the SB in.

You essentially treat those games like preseason games where the scoreboard isn't the primary goal. Putting the team in the best position later is the the goal, whether you win or lose.

But it's not even a question of what the team is trying to do. As a fan you should want your team to be set up in the best possible position for next year and that means losing out to get the high pick.

But it goes against their fan gag reflex. They just can't comprehend it.

Wouldn't it be nice if the Cowboys had the 3rd pick in this draft to do what the Dolphins just did? Wouldn't it improve our prospects for the future?

But you decided a few months ago that winning a few more games to get to 6-10 was more important.

Smack yourself.
 

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As teams like the Dolphins and Eagles load up on first round draft picks due to their ability to offer premium picks for QBs....too bad they won't carry over any momentum from late wins last season that Dallas got.

In all seriousness I was pillared for hoping the team lost to close out the season. No, our hopes don't influence what happens on the field. But I hope people now recognize the cost of a few meaningless wins.

When you have a lost season you would hope it leads to the type of haul Miami and to a lesser extent Philly received.

Shame.
100% THIS
 

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But you are setting yourself up to lose by not playing the "best" players .......how is one of those players you deem expendable gonna react when he gets injured in games you are treating like preseason games ......

" Hey kid make sure you play hard even when we are not putting you in the best scenario to win ........ If you get hurt ...... Tough.
I don't deem them expendable. They are NFL players getting NFL experience. Some get it due to injury, like Brandon Steele or even Jeff Heath in 2013. Should we feel bad if they got hurt because he was forced in due to injury rather than just putting him in the game to see what he could do? You're on the roster, your number is called. Go play.
 
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