The Cost of Momentum

Vanilla2 · Mar 26, 2021

Ranching said:
Good thing I live in Texas! Lol

even then...

Risen Star · Mar 26, 2021

I'll say this, if you believe in a young core and want to see them gain some confidence by finishing a season strong ala the 1990 Cowboys then I can understand it. Other than that I don't get why anyone would rather see a team like this finish 6-10 rather than 3-13. Both suck. One gives you much more capital in the offseason.

JBS · Mar 26, 2021

Future said:
The shame is in creating this thread as if it's some unique discovery that hasn't been true in pro sports for practically an entire century.

Everyone knows that losing games gets better draft picks. Water is wet, also.

That's not even mentioning the fact that the Eagles were colossally stupid to trade down, because they don't have a quarterback, or the fact that the Dolphins were potentially stupid, because they don't know if they have a quarterback.

Eagles can't get a qb even if they stay at 6..so that is irrelevant

zrinkill · Mar 26, 2021

Aviano90 said:
I don't deem them expendable. They are NFL players getting NFL experience. Some get it due to injury, like Brandon Steele or even Jeff Heath in 2013. Should we feel bad if they got hurt because he was forced in due to injury rather than just putting him in the game to see what he could do? You're on the roster, your number is called. Go play.

We just disagree on this ....... Must be my military background but I would never try to lose ...... Good luck this year ...... Unless you decide you want to lose out again to get a better draft pick for Jerry to waste.

Aviano90 · Mar 26, 2021

zrinkill said:
We just disagree on this ....... Must be my military background but I would never try to lose ...... Good luck this year ...... Unless you decide you want to lose out again to get a better draft pick for Jerry to waste.

Yeah, I am not trying to convince you to agree with me. What I am trying to say is you don’t have to “try to lose” as you claim. When the first preseason game begins and most of the starters are sitting on the sidelines, the players who are on the field aren’t trying to lose. Both teams are using that game with the primary objective of getting best prepared to win future games with winning on the scoreboard being a secondary objective.

You can certainly be of the opinion you want the team to win come hell or high water, but not every alternative strategy is playing to lose. That’s all I am saying.

Appreciate your service and respectful debate.

Toruk_Makto · Mar 26, 2021

nightrain said:
Why is it teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens and Packers manage longevity in contention without a haul of early picks? What has picking high done for teams like the Jaguars and Bengals? Losing can become a culture and it really has no appeal whatsoever, no matter how many picks you have in the 1st round.

3 of those teams had first ballot hall of famers on their rosters for a decade. Probably why.

Toruk_Makto · Mar 26, 2021

Risen Star said:
But it's not even a question of what the team is trying to do. As a fan you should want your team to be set up in the best possible position for next year and that means losing out to get the high pick.

But it goes against their fan gag reflex. They just can't comprehend it.

Wouldn't it be nice if the Cowboys had the 3rd pick in this draft to do what the Dolphins just did? Wouldn't it improve our prospects for the future?

But you decided a few months ago that winning a few more games to get to 6-10 was more important.

Smack yourself.

It's really this simple. As I noted our hopes had no impact on the field.

But people were attacking fans for rooting for a higher probability of long term success of the franchise against two meaningless wins.

And now hopefully they can conceptualize what it cost.

As another poster suggested the team could have benched Dalton and started giving back end guys who potentially had a chance to stick more reps.

We didn't. That's on the organization.

fivetwos · Mar 26, 2021

Risen Star said:
I'll say this, if you believe in a young core and want to see them gain some confidence by finishing a season strong ala the 1990 Cowboys then I can understand it. Other than that I don't get why anyone would rather see a team like this finish 6-10 rather than 3-13. Both suck. One gives you much more capital in the offseason.

That's not an unfair take.

But thats what signing Dalton did.

If you roll with Nooch in those three games you are 0-3 or 1-2 instead of 3-0....and we may be the team who picked up three first rounders today.

They wanted a formidable back up because, like Jerry always does....thought they were a playoff team heading into the season.

The reality here is fairly harsh and not at all news to you....this team is built to beat the crap out of those that are rebuilding, but isn't close to good enough to win against contenders when it counts.

I can see how its maddening to many.

Toruk_Makto · Mar 26, 2021

fivetwos said:
That's not an unfair take.

But thats what signing Dalton did.

If you roll with Nooch in those three games you are 0-3 or 1-2 instead of 3-0....and we may be the team who picked up three first rounders today.

They wanted a formidable back up because, like Jerry always does....thought they were a playoff team heading into the season.

The reality here is fairly harsh and not at all news to you....this team is built to beat the crap out of those that are rebuilding, but isn't close to good enough to win against contenders when it counts.

I can see how its maddening to many.

Hell picking at 3 might have even saved us a few dollars with Dak knowing we were in position to draft one of the top QBs.

But at least we get to fondly remember the Dalton era put a 3 game winning streak together before falling to the Giants in a at the time comically meaningful game!

sjmike · Mar 26, 2021

Risen Star said:
But it's not even a question of what the team is trying to do. As a fan you should want your team to be set up in the best possible position for next year and that means losing out to get the high pick.

But it goes against their fan gag reflex. They just can't comprehend it.

Wouldn't it be nice if the Cowboys had the 3rd pick in this draft to do what the Dolphins just did? Wouldn't it improve our prospects for the future?

But you decided a few months ago that winning a few more games to get to 6-10 was more important.

Smack yourself.

And they almost made the playoffs. The first year of a head coach is not the year to tank. It's the year to establish a culture of winning at all costs. If you can't comprehend that, smack yourself!!

JoeKing · Mar 26, 2021

Toruk_Makto said:
As teams like the Dolphins and Eagles load up on first round draft picks due to their ability to offer premium picks for QBs....too bad they won't carry over any momentum from late wins last season that Dallas got.

In all seriousness I was pillared for hoping the team lost to close out the season. No, our hopes don't influence what happens on the field. But I hope people now recognize the cost of a few meaningless wins.

When you have a lost season you would hope it leads to the type of haul Miami and to a lesser extent Philly received.

Shame.

So damn true. Keep preaching!

JoeKing · Mar 26, 2021

sjmike said:
And they almost made the playoffs. The first year of a head coach is not the year to tank. It's the year to establish a culture of winning at all costs. If you can't comprehend that, smack yourself!!

you are so clueless

sjmike · Mar 26, 2021

JoeKing said:
you are so clueless

you must me Joeking

JoeKing · Mar 26, 2021

sjmike said:
you must me Joeking

I'm so glad you can read.

sjmike · Mar 26, 2021

JoeKing said:
I'm so glad you can read.

I learned when I was little

Risen Star · Mar 26, 2021

sjmike said:
And they almost made the playoffs. The first year of a head coach is not the year to tank. It's the year to establish a culture of winning at all costs. If you can't comprehend that, smack yourself!!

If you can't differentiate between fans hoping their team loses out and a team deliberately trying to lose you might want to ball that hand up into a fist and have another whack at it.

This isn't about how teams approach games. It's about what fans are rooting for at the end of a losing season.

Risen Star · Mar 26, 2021

fivetwos said:
That's not an unfair take.

But thats what signing Dalton did.

If you roll with Nooch in those three games you are 0-3 or 1-2 instead of 3-0....and we may be the team who picked up three first rounders today.

They wanted a formidable back up because, like Jerry always does....thought they were a playoff team heading into the season.

The reality here is fairly harsh and not at all news to you....this team is built to beat the crap out of those that are rebuilding, but isn't close to good enough to win against contenders when it counts.

I can see how its maddening to many.

The Dalton thing fell in their lap. They made no real effort to upgrade at backup QB. The opportunity just presented itself.

They've done nothing to address losing Dalton.

Trajan · Mar 26, 2021

This team was pretty bad....okay, real bad last year, no one would have noticed if they tanked a few.

nobody · Mar 26, 2021

Ranching said:
If we had won two more games, we would have won the division and maybe played in the SB...... hmmmm?

With that defense? They wouldn't even had made the NFC championship game. (not that I was on team tank, but be realistic. There was no way last season's team had any real chance with that defense and Dak down.)

Toruk_Makto · Mar 26, 2021

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