How Good is the OL If Fully Healthy?

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Good but unfortunately, that will not happen. Big Smitty and Collins both have issues and play the most demanding athletic positions on the OL. We keep waiting for Williams to turn the corner and Center is unknown.

The last two things you want with OT's are a bad back or hip. They're rolling the dice with these two that they can even make it through the season.

They have with Smith for years, and we all know how that’s worked out. And now they’ve chosen to do the same with Collins on the other side. I like that they signed Nsekhe as a veteran swing option, but I’d also like to see a young draft pick added as future insurance.

I’m also eager to see if we can see any potential improvement from Knight, Steele, or Mitch Hyatt.
 

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You're rolling the dice with those two that they can even make it to opening day without nagging issues that could keep them off the field.

Which the front office has been willing to do for years.
 

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It all depends on how well Biadasz plays. We know what Connor Williams is. He is good on the move and weak against the guy right in front of him. Big strong DTs are going to push him around. If Biadasz cannot anchor the middle then no matter how healthy Tyron Smith is, the OL is going to struggle protecting Dak and run blocking. Then again, maybe Dallas selects someone like Ben Cleveland or Quinn Meinerz to possibly take Connor Williams's place at LG.
If you have a weakness in the middle or a young kid still learning you run a bunch of stuff outside. Designed roll outs, tosses, etc and make those big fat DT's chase the play. Wear them down so they are tired and a bit slower in the second half. We have only done that a few times, but it was effective each time. Up the middle on the first run of the game is stupid. When it gets stuffed the defense gets pumped up. We make the big defensive guys run and chase early.
 

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IMO we need to look hard at C/LG as well. Maybe a guy that can play all positions if called on. Landon Dickerson from Bama can start at Center day 1. Move Tyler B to RG to back up Zach. I would have open comp at LG between Williams and McGovern. The big questions remain at LT/RT until proven otherwise.
 

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The good news is that with a 40 Million dollar a year “elite” quarterback, an offensive line merely needs to be above average........the Kansas City Chiefs Offensive line didn’t even grade out in the top 10 last season and we all know our guy is superior to Mahomes
 

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The good news is that with a 40 Million dollar a year “elite” quarterback, an offensive line merely needs to be above average........the Kansas City Chiefs Offensive line didn’t even grade out in the top 10 last season and we all know our guy is superior to Mahomes
and...wait for it...what happened in the SB when he didnt have his 2 starting tackles? He was curb stomped and didnt get his team in the endzone 1 time. Thats not the full story of why they lost, but it was a big factor. It shows you just how important reliable starters are at both bookend tackles.We paid Dak a fortune, why gamble with him and leave it to chance? Thats all Im sayin. Not saying we need a round 1 tackle..but we need to address this.
 

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They have with Smith for years, and we all know how that’s worked out. And now they’ve chosen to do the same with Collins on the other side. I like that they signed Nsekhe as a veteran swing option, but I’d also like to see a young draft pick added as future insurance.

I’m also eager to see if we can see any potential improvement from Knight, Steele, or Mitch Hyatt.
I would not be surprised to see them address the OL on the first day of the draft. Most of us are just assuming D with that 1st pick and it could be Slater.

One thing about both OT's, we don't know the truth about how good they are to go and one of the reasons McC could only get one ring with Rodgers was because of that swinging door OL he had because of injuries. They just agreed to pay a QB 40M a year, an injured QB. I think they might be a little more fixed on protecting that investment than a CB or LB.

The GM is a follow the ball one and he's the final say and while I think it is a long shot, Sewell could slide. No one called lamb sliding to 17 last season and every draft has these little gifts. That's why I am such a fan of the draft, I get more excited about that than the SB. With the QB's, WR's and that TE, this is going to be very interesting.
 

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I would not be surprised to see them address the OL on the first day of the draft. Most of us are just assuming D with that 1st pick and it could be Slater.

One thing about both OT's, we don't know the truth about how good they are to go and one of the reasons McC could only get one ring with Rodgers was because of that swinging door OL he had because of injuries. They just agreed to pay a QB 40M a year, an injured QB. I think they might be a little more fixed on protecting that investment than a CB or LB.

The GM is a follow the ball one and he's the final say and while I think it is a long shot, Sewell could slide. No one called lamb sliding to 17 last season and every draft has these little gifts. That's why I am such a fan of the draft, I get more excited about that than the SB. With the QB's, WR's and that TE, this is going to be very interesting.
if Sewell is there, he will be the pick. You have to. He helps us in so many more ways. I been saying all along if its Surtain, Sewell or Pitts...We will select Pitts, but more I think about it, Sewell just makes too much sense. Not sayin we need to do that at 10, but it wouldnt make me mad either.
 

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I would not be surprised to see them address the OL on the first day of the draft. Most of us are just assuming D with that 1st pick and it could be Slater.

I have to say that would really surprise me. Any offensive player in the first round would.

One thing about both OT's, we don't know the truth about how good they are to go and one of the reasons McC could only get one ring with Rodgers was because of that swinging door OL he had because of injuries. They just agreed to pay a QB 40M a year, an injured QB. I think they might be a little more fixed on protecting that investment than a CB or LB.

I just think it would be overkill and poor use of finite resources. They don’t get the proper return on investment from what they’ve invested in the offensive line and running game as it is. Adding another 1st rounder who ideally wouldn’t even play is too much for me.

The GM is a follow the ball one and he's the final say and while I think it is a long shot, Sewell could slide. No one called lamb sliding to 17 last season and every draft has these little gifts. That's why I am such a fan of the draft, I get more excited about that than the SB. With the QB's, WR's and that TE, this is going to be very interesting.

I look forward to discussing it on draft night and afterwards.
 

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I have to say that would really surprise me. Any offensive player in the first round would.



I just think it would be overkill and poor use of finite resources. They don’t get the proper return on investment from what they’ve invested in the offensive line and running game as it is. Adding another 1st rounder who ideally wouldn’t even play is too much for me.



I look forward to discussing it on draft night and afterwards.
stash, you are applying logic and you should know by now, not with this GM and team.

However, this question is a difficult one to answer when you are considering just this season and that's the way he thinks, every season is a new season. They have a top 5 O and a 20 D. Better to try and take that O to top 3 or D to 15? This is Booger we're talking about, it's all about the show.
 

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The good news is that with a 40 Million dollar a year “elite” quarterback, an offensive line merely needs to be above average........the Kansas City Chiefs Offensive line didn’t even grade out in the top 10 last season and we all know our guy is superior to Mahomes
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@Risen Star has been schooled. If I get in trouble i'll own it. This one is priceless.
 

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stash, you are applying logic and you should know by now, not with this GM and team.

However, this question is a difficult one to answer when you are considering just this season and that's the way he thinks, every season is a new season. They have a top 5 O and a 20 D. Better to try and take that O to top 3 or D to 15? This is Booger we're talking about, it's all about the show.

Guilty as charged, I can't help but to apply logic.
 

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Still a bit worrisome inside, particularly on the left side. Not horrible by any stretch but good teams will isolate Connor/Biadicz with their better players to generate pressure.
 

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Hard to tell. Who's going to be the center? Looney? He's not signed nor has he gone to another team yet. Biadasz? If so, how much will a good off season benefit him? Can McGovern break into the lineup? Has Williams reached his peak? If not, how much better can he be?

Lots of uncertainties, but to make a guess, which is what we have at this point I'd say top-5...
 

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Taken their age and past injury history which I would assume limits their effectiveness even if healthy I would say between 10 - 15 in the league, maybe lower?
 

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Top 5? That is the high side and wishful thinking. Top 10 is more like it.

Do sure why you're limiting if all healthy. We have top tackles (for all intents and purposes 2 x 1st rounders) and the best RG in the NFL.
 

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Do sure why you're limiting if all healthy. We have top tackles (for all intents and purposes 2 x 1st rounders) and the best RG in the NFL.

Yes, both Smith and Collins are still top 5 at their position. Just because they had surgery last season really means nothing. Lots of players have surgery every day and go on to be productive over their careers. Top 3 guard in Martin and a top 20 in Williams. Yes Biadasz is a bit of an unknown but he showed potential and then you have McGovern possibly pushing for that position. An added swing tackle in Nsekhe and more experience across the line with the amount of reps both Knight and Steele got last season.

I'm excited for both the current line and the players they could possibly add through the draft. Lot's of talent at tackle in this draft and I'd be shocked if Dallas doesn't dip into that. Walker Little, James Hudson, Brendon Jaimes, and Josh Ball could all be middle round guys that could really add depth to this team.
 
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