News: Cowboys have done well

Section446 · Apr 7, 2021

If "well" translates to "average" then yes, we've done "well" for 25 years.

CowboyRoy · Apr 7, 2021

Rockport said:
It proves that they were good enough to play and that the coaching sucked.

Problem is they have bombed on the defensive side. Coaching stinks with Garrett, and they barely use FA for anything other than garbage.

coult44 · Apr 7, 2021

Rockport said:
https://overthecap.com/expected-drafted-player-snaps-over-rookie-years/

We have Zero defensive players who would have started on most teams last year.

Diehardblues · Apr 8, 2021

Rockport said:
It proves that they were good enough to play and that the coaching sucked.

Not necessarily. First of all , It proves we had a lot of our Rookies starting . And the fact they started might have been more about necessity and lesser backup talent to challenge that starting position.

We also must consider our ownership wants to start his higher draft picks as it presents a perception they are talented enough to start.

That said , there also could be some coaching issues. There definitely could be several contributing factors.

And we must also admit we have done well in the draft on offense but not as well on defense. The misses we’ve had on defense have probably prevented this team this era from more success.

SteveTheCowboy · Apr 8, 2021

Whyjerry said:
Lies, damn lies and statistics.

You can data mine anything. Bottom line is this organization needs playoff success. It has not for 25 years.

Yes sir. A silly chart you have to decode is MEANINGLESS.

Flamma · Apr 8, 2021

Whyjerry said:
Lies, damn lies and statistics.

One of many examples. The sad thing is, and I know this is hard to believe, but people believe statistics over what they actually see and experience.

Sydla · Apr 8, 2021

Cowboy Lover said:
Yes sir. A silly chart you have to decode is MEANINGLESS.

There isn’t much to decode. It’s just a chart that just shows rookie snap counts by team. That's it. People here are trying to pull more out of the chart than is there.

Rockport · Apr 8, 2021

Cowboy Lover said:
Yes sir. A silly chart you have to decode is MEANINGLESS.

You wouldn't have to decode it if you read the article. Obviously you didn't. Lazy?

pansophy · Apr 8, 2021

Rockport said:
You wouldn't have to decode it if you read the article. Obviously you didn't. Lazy?

The chart conflates 'snaps' with 'good play'. There are playoff teams in all 4 quadrants.

Just because rookies play doesn't mean that they are good. Rookies also tend to play on bad teams. Other than showing which teams rookies played a lot of snaps for, what is someone supposed to take away from this graph?

Rockport · Apr 8, 2021

pansophy said:
The chart conflates 'snaps' with 'good play'. There are playoff teams in all 4 quadrants.

Just because rookies play doesn't mean that they are good. Rookies also tend to play on bad teams. Other than showing which teams rookies played a lot of snaps for, what is someone supposed to take away from this graph?

I don’t know that rookies tend to play on bad teams. My take is that the Cowboys have drafted well and mostly coaching has held them back.

CouchCoach · Apr 8, 2021

pansophy said:
The chart conflates 'snaps' with 'good play'. There are playoff teams in all 4 quadrants.

Just because rookies play doesn't mean that they are good. Rookies also tend to play on bad teams. Other than showing which teams rookies played a lot of snaps for, what is someone supposed to take away from this graph?

A spin for the positive to counter all the negative vibe here and I can't blame him. The negative doesn't bother me but I know it does some posters and the times ain't great right now on top of this.

Rocky is a Silver Linings Searcher and that's a good balance. The Storm Cloud Searchers don't have to work as hard.

CouchCoach · Apr 8, 2021

Rockport said:
I don’t know that rookies tend to play on bad teams. My take is that the Cowboys have drafted well and mostly coaching has held them back.

I think they've been mediocre at both.

Adreme · Apr 8, 2021

That is a terrible metric to judge the success of a draft. All that shows is that the Cowboys force need too hard and it is why their roster is so devoid of talent right now.

Edit: there is a reason you never judge a draft class until at least 2 years in and more commonly 3 years in and that is because there is a massive jump in the quality of play from rookie to second year players, even among those who you are forcing to play, so if you are playing rookies all that says is your team lacks talent not that they are drafting well.

Rockport · Apr 8, 2021

CouchCoach said:
I think they've been mediocre at both.

Your entitled to your opinion. I think they've been fairly good at drafting and UDFA and pretty bad at coaching. Garrett? It was an 8 year "process".

CouchCoach · Apr 8, 2021

Rockport said:
Your entitled to your opinion. I think they've been fairly good at drafting and UDFA and pretty bad at coaching. Garrett? It was an 8 year "process".

I've yet to see a coach execute a play on the field. And I don't see many overcoming a lack of talent with coaching.

Rockport · Apr 8, 2021

CouchCoach said:
I've yet to see a coach execute a play on the field. And I don't see many overcoming a lack of talent with coaching.

You're kidding right? New England is in the bottom quadrant of the chart but wins because of Belichick.

CouchCoach · Apr 8, 2021

Rockport said:
You're kidding right? New England is in the bottom quadrant of the chart but wins because of Belichick.

He still uses talent to get the job done. He's not doing that with a bunch of scrubs.

And no, I am not kidding. A good coach with great talent beats a great coach with good talent the majority of the time. I am not saying coaching doesn't matter, but talent matters more.

What fluctuates with a coaches record, his ability or the talent he has? Quinn took his team to a SB, why not more?

And citing the best coach to do it in the NFL isn't really an example. There's one of him and hundreds of the others than have come and gone in his time.

Reid can win one in KC but not PHL. why is that? He had one of the highest regarded DC's in the history of the game.

Rockport · Apr 8, 2021

CouchCoach said:
He still uses talent to get the job done. He's not doing that with a bunch of scrubs.

And no, I am not kidding. A good coach with great talent beats a great coach with good talent the majority of the time. I am not saying coaching doesn't matter, but talent matters more.

What fluctuates with a coaches record, his ability or the talent he has? Quinn took his team to a SB, why not more?

And citing the best coach to do it in the NFL isn't really an example. There's one of him and hundreds of the others than have come and gone in his time.

Reid can win one in KC but not PHL. why is that? He had one of the highest regarded DC's in the history of the game.

He came pretty damn close in Philly. We’re not going to agree but that’s ok. You have valid argument’s.

Diehardblues · Apr 8, 2021

Flamma said:
One of many examples. The sad thing is, and I know this is hard to believe, but people believe statistics over what they actually see and experience.

Stats are facts to support or spin an opinion / narrative.

Rockport · Apr 8, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Stats are facts to support or spin an opinion / narrative.

Will remember that with you going forward.

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