If Sewell & Pitts fall who do you take?

jrumann59

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Its not really a gamble. Generational talents do not outright bust. It does not happen. For them a floor is they were only in a few Pro Bowls. There is a reason 1st round pick tend to do better than 7th round picks and that is because it is not purely gambling.

Also, "if the starter goes down maybe our 10th pick can get playing time otherwise he is warming the bench for 2 years" is not a good recipe for success. That still makes it a bad pick. Trevor Lawrence could get hit by a car the day after getting drafted and never play in the NFL and it would not have been wrong to make that pick. You plan around what your team is, not what they could be. The very thinking that the lower-tier starters on the team could completely become Pro Bowl level players, despite that they have not in the years they have been in the league so far, is exactly how you end up having such poor drafts and free agency periods because "we like our guys".
Elite talent fails all the time. This term generational talent gets thrown around. What the hell is Generational talent, the are "expected" to be better than all those that came before them. Guess what a lot of the time the guys that are considered the measuring stick before them were not first round talents. Lets use Pitts, is expected to be better than Gonzalez, Witten, Gronk, Gates, Graham, Kelce, Kittles?

here is an interesting article on some "Generational" Talents in teh NFL right by Bucky Brooks, written last year.
NFL's generational talents under 25: Kyler Murray belongs in club
 

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Elite talent fails all the time. This term generational talent gets thrown around. What the hell is Generational talent, the are "expected" to be better than all those that came before them. Guess what a lot of the time the guys that are considered the measuring stick before them were not first round talents. Lets use Pitts, is expected to be better than Gonzalez, Witten, Gronk, Gates, Graham, Kelce, Kittles?

here is an interesting article on some "Generational" Talents in teh NFL right by Bucky Brooks, written last year.
NFL's generational talents under 25: Kyler Murray belongs in club

They really do not fail. Let us look at QBs for example because the number 1 pick is also being considered generational. The last 3 picks who had grades like his were: Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, John Elway. No I did not skip anyone. The quality of grades do not get thrown around casually. A player becoming a generational talent is not the same as having his pre draft grade showing as such. Calvin Johnson was another who was considered a freak of nature who was generational. I am trying to think of a generational pre draft talent that ended up as a bust and I honestly cannot think of a single one. There have been a LOT of busts but none who were considered generational talents pre draft.
 

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They really do not fail. Let us look at QBs for example because the number 1 pick is also being considered generational. The last 3 picks who had grades like his were: Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, John Elway. No I did not skip anyone. The quality of grades do not get thrown around casually. A player becoming a generational talent is not the same as having his pre draft grade showing as such. Calvin Johnson was another who was considered a freak of nature who was generational. I am trying to think of a generational pre draft talent that ended up as a bust and I honestly cannot think of a single one. There have been a LOT of busts but none who were considered generational talents pre draft.
I seem to remember Peytons draft that many believed Manning and Leaf were 1 & 2 and interchangeable. Lets not forget Mandarich, Richardson the RB, Clowney
 

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Sewell, 100% There is not a single question in my mind which I would take. I posted the other day that I was rewatching video on Sewell and I gotta say, he may be the best LT prospect I've watched, ever, athletically. To me it's simple, you've basically put yourself in a situation where you have created sunken costs into Dak. You literally have to protect that investment, like it or not. It might very well turn out to be good money after bad but, you have no choice IMO. You have to secure the the OL. That must be locked down and after QB, the most important position on the Offense is the LT. Maybe on the entire team.

We already have a very potent Offense. The problems we have on Offense are related to the QB performance and the Offensive Line. We don't need a TE to be successful. We need to fix the OL.

Sewell, he does that.
 

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Pitts is the exciting pick but Sewell could be the wiser choice.

The Cowboys have to consider life minus Tyron Smith at some point unless they plan on moving La'el Collins or Zack Martin to their college positions of left tackle. But even those guys are coming off injuries.
 

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Its not really a gamble. Generational talents do not outright bust. It does not happen. For them a floor is they were only in a few Pro Bowls. There is a reason 1st round pick tend to do better than 7th round picks and that is because it is not purely gambling.

Also, "if the starter goes down maybe our 10th pick can get playing time otherwise he is warming the bench for 2 years" is not a good recipe for success. That still makes it a bad pick. Trevor Lawrence could get hit by a car the day after getting drafted and never play in the NFL and it would not have been wrong to make that pick. You plan around what your team is, not what they could be. The very thinking that the lower-tier starters on the team could completely become Pro Bowl level players, despite that they have not in the years they have been in the league so far, is exactly how you end up having such poor drafts and free agency periods because "we like our guys".

Dude, Greg robinson offensive talent was drafted by the browns #2 and considered a generational talent and flopped. zach martin was drafted much later and we all know how that turned out. There are so many stories like this. Heck even Blake Bortles was considered a can't miss super stud.... I guess if you're putting Pitts on par with randy moss I see your logic but I'm not sure you can do that.
 

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Dude, Greg robinson offensive talent was drafted by the browns #2 and considered a generational talent and flopped. zach martin was drafted much later and we all know how that turned out. There are so many stories like this. Heck even Blake Bortles was considered a can't miss super stud.... I guess if you're putting Pitts on par with randy moss I see your logic but I'm not sure you can do that.

Well, to be fair, only those who really never payed attention believed anybody who said Bortles was as good as his billing. Bortles was a guy with significant natural talent but he wasn't a sure thing or even a generational talent. He wasn't better then anybody who can come before him for 20 years or whatever. Pitts, he is that guy at TE. The problem for him is that he doesn't play a position that is all that critical to our success. Our success hinges on Prescott. Not on Pitts.
 

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The QB is too expensive to go TE. Need to protect your investment. OL >TE

I would trade down this year tho. Will be some nice offers for that pick and this draft is very good through 4 rounds.
 

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Well, to be fair, only those who really never payed attention believed anybody who said Bortles was as good as his billing. Bortles was a guy with significant natural talent but he wasn't a sure thing or even a generational talent. He wasn't better then anybody who can come before him for 20 years or whatever. Pitts, he is that guy at TE. The problem for him is that he doesn't play a position that is all that critical to our success. Our success hinges on Prescott. Not on Pitts.
I get it, but if you can get a guy like Pitts, does it make sense to build you offense around what he can do? Me thinks that is smart.
 

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I get it, but if you can get a guy like Pitts, does it make sense to build you offense around what he can do? Me thinks that is smart.

No, it doesn't make sense to me. If you don't get the LT position figured out, it won't matter how good the TE is. The QB has to be able to execute the play. If it's a seam route to the TE, he has to be able to get the ball off. LT allows for that. If you don't have one, then the TE is useless to you because he might be able to get open but you gotta get the ball there and you gotta keep your QB healthy. Like I say, to me, it's a no brainer.
 

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OK guys, that's it for me. Gonna call it a day and head for the barn. Everybody, have a great evening, stay safe!
 

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I get it, but if you can get a guy like Pitts, does it make sense to build you offense around what he can do? Me thinks that is smart.

Does it matter how good a TE is if his o'line is so bad the QB doesn't have time to get the ball to him? I think we saw clear evidence of what a bad o'line can do to a team in the entire 2020 season. Dak fans want to say 2020 was a failure because Dalton was the starting QB, and that couldn't be more false. The o'line was so bad they could have had a Brady or Dan Marino caliber QB back there and the results would have been the same.

Fail to build the trenches and you greatly reduce your chances to win.
 

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Sewell if I had to pick between the two
A good LT is hard to get and a TE is gonna be limited in his targets by Lamb, Cooper, Gallup and the RB’s
Love Pitts but I’d take Sewell over him
 

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Sewell, IMO. He would significantly upgrade the OL and help get the running game back humming, leading to a more balanced offense.
 

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Sewell is rated higher, has almost no bust potential, is plug and play, and is a top 5 lock and pro bowl/all pro fixture.
Sewell, 100% There is not a single question in my mind which I would take. I posted the other day that I was rewatching video on Sewell and I gotta say, he may be the best LT prospect I've watched, ever, athletically. To me it's simple, you've basically put yourself in a situation where you have created sunken costs into Dak. You literally have to protect that investment, like it or not. It might very well turn out to be good money after bad but, you have no choice IMO. You have to secure the the OL. That must be locked down and after QB, the most important position on the Offense is the LT. Maybe on the entire team.

We already have a very potent Offense. The problems we have on Offense are related to the QB performance and the Offensive Line. We don't need a TE to be successful. We need to fix the OL.

Sewell, he does that.

Dallas has too many weapons, it should be OL & Defense all the way.
 
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