The Athletic suggesting Cowboys will not pick up LVE 5th year option

Whyjerry

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but i think they have to decide by early may if they are going to pick up his option

I am not sure on the dates. If that’s true it is a big pass for me. I think the guy is hurt way too often and just isn’t very good. Good rookie. Straight downhill since.
 

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They should pick up the 5th year.

He will get a 2nd contract.

Sure. The broken collar bone was bad lick.

But he has all the abilities to play.

And a Pro Bowl.
He totally sucks. The last two seasons are the norm for him and not outliers.
 

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You can almost guarantee Jerry will do the wrong thing here. Unless LVE plays like a monster for 16 games it should not even be considered.

Don't be surprised if he has a monster year. He's playing for his first big payday, either here or another team. My guess though, if it happens, we'll franchise him before he gets a long-term deal.
 

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Jaylon for 2021 is 9.8
But after 2021 we can move on from him because it then goes to 11
I’d rather keep LVE that extra year and make it easier to move on from jaylon and not need two LB’s the same year

That's great but what LVE you keeping, the rookie or one the last couple years
 

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The problem with the 5th year option for a guy like Leighton Vander Esch is that it's only guaranteed for injury. With his medical record, it's not a smart investment. When you look at his play outside of his rookie season, it would be as irresponsible as you could be to give it to him.
 

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Jaylon for 2021 is 9.8
But after 2021 we can move on from him because it then goes to 11
I’d rather keep LVE that extra year and make it easier to move on from jaylon and not need two LB’s the same year

9.8 is Jaylon's cap hit. His 7.2mil salary was all we could avoid of it this season, but didn't.
*All* of LVE's 9.1mil 5th year salary can be avoided by exercising the 5th year option.

When comparing choices to keep a player, I leave out already spent cap pending application to a season, because it's dead and ain't coming back regardless of the choice now. Sunk cost.
 

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9.8 is Jaylon's cap hit. His 7.2mil salary was all we could avoid of it this season, but didn't.
*All* of LVE's 9.1mil 5th year salary can be avoided by exercising the 5th year option.

When comparing choices to keep a player, I leave out already spent cap pending application to a season, because it's dead and ain't coming back regardless of the choice now. Sunk cost.
You are right
 

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The problem with the 5th year option for a guy like Leighton Vander Esch is that it's only guaranteed for injury.

Is that right? We could still cut him if healthy (healthy for LVE, that is?).

That was basically true for 2016, 2017 draftess, but it changed for 2018 draftees. Fifth year is *fully* guaranteed the moment we exercise it.
https://frontofficenfl.com/2020/06/04/2020-nfl-cba-explained-5th-year-option-in-rookie-contracts/
Starting with players selected in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft, players can earn different fifth-year option salaries based on their performance in the first three seasons of their career. The fifth-year option for such players is fully guaranteed at the time it is exercised rather than on the first day of the league year of the option. If such a player’s fourth-year salary is not fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury, it becomes guaranteed as well when the option in exercised.​
 

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Not that my opinion counts for much but if it’s me, I’m weeding out injury prone players from the draft board and long-term deals as much as possible. LVE is top of the list of players not to be re-signed.
 

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They can still sign after the season, right? Just not at 5th year option prices. I doubt anyone would pay him that.

Come back to me after the season when he has led the league in tackles.....:popcorn:
 

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I am not sure on the dates. If that’s true it is a big pass for me. I think the guy is hurt way too often and just isn’t very good. Good rookie. Straight downhill since.
He was good. He just has the neck injury.
 

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Not that my opinion counts for much but if it’s me, I’m weeding out injury prone players from the draft board and long-term deals as much as possible. LVE is top of the list of players not to be re-signed.

Injury prone LBs are probably a particularly bad bet. Have to routinely take on olinemen 80lbs heavier than they are in close quarters. And with neck issues?

LVE is very disappointing. He looked like a real up and coming star in 2018.

College players with limited experience have the upside of limited mileage. The other side of that pancake is that they haven't proven they could stand up to full time football for too many years either. That's a big deal. Much of the NFL is just being sturdy enough to show up consistently. I doubt most even athletic bodies can handle. Those who can't get largely weeded out by failing the test in college.
 

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Injury prone LBs are probably a particularly bad bet. Have to routinely take on olinemen 80lbs heavier than they are in close quarters. And with neck issues?

LVE is very disappointing. He looked like a real up and coming star in 2018.

College players with limited experience have the upside of limited mileage. The other side of that pancake is that they haven't proven they could stand up to full time football for too many years either. That's a big deal. Much of the NFL is just being sturdy enough to show up consistently. I doubt most even athletic bodies can handle. Those who can't get largely weeded out by failing the test in college.

The neck issue was identified pre-draft with rumours he was off some teams boards because of it.

Its frustrating because I think we are really good at evaluating talent as a team, but screw it up with bonehead decisions like taking RB’s top 5, drafting injury prone players, and an unexplained avoidance of positions like safety and 1T.

We chose Zeke over Ramsey, and then signed him over Byron Jones....both decisions are perplexing to me. How do we go from making shrewd decisions on DeMarco Murray, too bonehead ones with Zeke?
 
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I’m in the minority but without knowing his full medical I pay it or just go ahead and get a long term deal done.
That’s crazy, what if he’s out for 12 games again this year? Then your attached to him for 4-5 years or 9 mill for next year when he would prob sign a 1 yr min deal to stay anyways.
 

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That’s crazy, what if he’s out for 12 games again this year? Then your attached to him for 4-5 years or 9 mill for next year when he would prob sign a 1 yr min deal to stay anyways.

I don’t know how medical history but if he’s as good as the Cowboys say then his price will never be cheaper than it is today.

He’s getting wayyyy over criticized right now imo.. We haven’t seen his rookie form but we’re acting like he’s a trash player and that’s just not realistic.
 

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The neck issue was identified pre-draft with rumours he was off some teams boards because of it.

Its frustrating because I think we are really good at evaluating talent as a team, but screw it up with bonehead decisions like taking RB’s top 5, drafting injury prone players, and an unexplained avoidance of positions like safety and 1T.

We chose Zeke over Ramsey, and then signed him over Byron Jones....both decisions are perplexing to me. How do we go from making shrewd decisions on DeMarco Murray, too bonehead ones with Zeke?

I think I had only heard a little about the neck. After later hearing the information available at the time to the team, LVE at 18 didn't make sense. At 18 you shouldn't be discounting health risk and upcounting upside to make a pick.
 

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He's one more inevitable injury away from retirement.

Pass.
 

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That's great but what LVE you keeping, the rookie or one the last couple years
I don’t think anyone knows
But we can get out of jaylons terrible contract after this year
Replacing both in one year is a huge challenge
We don’t have to decide on LVE till after the draft
If we draft a good LB prospect then you don’t risk having to replace both next year
But I don’t know you get the confidence you’ve got a starter quality player if you wait too late to get one
 
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