Twitter: Archer: Cowboys need Trader Jerry to reappear

Stash · Apr 12, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
It’s really the only way to make the league fair. We are just that far ahead of the 2nd best team

Find your own schtick! That one is taken!

big dog cowboy · Apr 12, 2021

They don't need wild-uncle Jerry making trades for trades' sake, which seemed to be the case in 2009, a special-teams-centric draft that turned out to be one of the Cowboys' worst drafts.

The NFL 2009 draft class was one of the worst ever. No team "killed it" or even had what would be considered a great draft. Yes it seemed more like a special teams draft for the Cowboys. But let's not pretend the Cowboys were passing on great talent because they weren't.

thunderpimp91 · Apr 12, 2021

boysfanindc said:
I would not just move up I would move down from 10 as well to pick up another 2nd rounder that gives you 5 in the top 100, then a move up using one or more of the picks between 115 and 238 to accomplish that and it would not cost you that much, roughly to move into bottom of the top 100 it would cost you 115 (exchanging a 4th for a third) and pick 192 6th round pick, to move higher might cost 115 and and a 5th. That would give you 6 players in the top 100.

Interesting analysis Forbes did on starter percentage and staying power meaning starting over a 5 year period by round in which the player was selected but others have done so as well showing roughly:

You have roughly double the percentage chance of getting a starter in round 3 as you do in round 5, then it really goes off the cliff

Round Freq. Percent Cuml
1 178 29.9 29.9
2 104 17.5 47.4
3 75 12.6 60.0
4 64 10.8 70.8
5 38 6.4 77.2

And staying power.

Percentage of Total Games Started
(Since 2010...80 games max)
Groups Median

Overall 15.0%

1st 67.5%

2nd 33.8%

3rd 36.3%

4th 6.3%

5th 4.4%

No issue with that at all. Personally I would rather not trade down from 10, but could see a couple scenarios where that makes sense.

I still think that it will take a lot more to move up than what you are saying, but I’m also going off the online trade charts not the historical dat of actual deals so I may be off base.

Whyjerry · Apr 12, 2021

Jipper said:
I like trading back in the first round and then trading for as many 2nd and 3rd rounders as possible...if we could get 6 picks in the top 100 we would be instantly more talented

If I was in charge this would be my goal. I think the draft will be won or lost in rounds 2-4. They can get a lot of good players to help in those rounds. The draft is deep in DT, LB, CB, and S. All are needs.

lk8701 · Apr 12, 2021

If they're determined to take a CB in the 1st round a trade back makes the most sense. There isn't too much of a difference between Surtain, Farley, and Horn.

cowboyblue22 · Apr 12, 2021

Jake said:
Who "trader Jerry" decides to target is my biggest concern.

trader jerry be gone they need jimmy johnson to come back and run the draft

Floatyworm · Apr 12, 2021

Vinnie2u said:
Trader Jerry needs to distance himself from the draft and let McClay made the decisions...

The last thing I want to see is....another "special teams" draft. 2009 was the worst draft in NFL history. One would think...he's learned his lesson.

Jipper · Apr 12, 2021

Floatyworm said:
The last thing I want to see is....another "special teams" draft. 2009 was the worst draft in NFL history. One would think...he's learned his lesson.

actually, its been ranked as the 13th worst in nfl history per an ESPN article from a few years back....yes it sucked but there were stil worse

Cowfan75 · Apr 12, 2021

Jerry needs a big name to sell jerseys. Dak has been around, and half the fanbase see him as an 8-8 QB now, so while his sales might boost a bit with his signing, he's probably peaked unless he elevates his game. Cooper, peaked. Zeke, peaked. You've got Lamb, and that's it right now. That ain't gonna cut it for Jerry. Remember, it's dollars over rings in Big D. I expect us to make Pitts happen unless someone can talk Daddy out of it, which has happened before.

America's Cowboy · Apr 12, 2021

Off topic:

It eats me up when people call someone a "trader" when referring to them as being a "traitor".

"You're a TRADER!!!"
:facepalm:

Big_D · Apr 12, 2021

Trader Jerry? He’s a complete buffoon. What we need is for Jerry to stay home on draft day! Or better yet his yacht is lost at sea!

Mannix · Apr 12, 2021

Trader Jerry should have hired Goose Gosselin 20 years ago to assist in the draft.

Redball Express · Apr 12, 2021

Risen Star said:
The Cowboys have 10 selections in the 2021 NFL draft. Only the Philadelphia Eagles (11) have more.

The Cowboys need Trader Jerry to reappear.

They don't need wild-uncle Jerry making trades for trades' sake, which seemed to be the case in 2009, a special-teams-centric draft that turned out to be one of the Cowboys' worst drafts.

The Cowboys need with-a-purpose Jerry to make moves.

To many, it might scream that using all 10 picks is the best way to help cost certainty, but there is no way 10 draft picks, plus a couple of undrafted free agents, will make the 53-man roster. Before folks get carried away by remembering sixth- and seventh-round success stories, there are far more misses and never-weres.

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Todd is advocating moving up and having a smaller class.

There just isn't room on this roster for 10 new players from this draft or even in the world.

This may be true. But take last year..until CeeDee dropped so badly..we will never know what type of draft we were going to see. Jones may have had trades and other manuvers to pump up numbers to bolster the results in 2020. Needing a slot receiver was priority one at the time and Cee Dee showed up aborting other draft moves that might have been considered. I assume nothing with Jerry and his son.

75boyz · Apr 12, 2021

Cowfan75 said:
Jerry needs a big name to sell jerseys. Dak has been around, and half the fanbase see him as an 8-8 QB now, so while his sales might boost a bit with his signing, he's probably peaked unless he elevates his game. Cooper, peaked. Zeke, peaked. You've got Lamb, and that's it right now. That ain't gonna cut it for Jerry. Remember, it's dollars over rings in Big D. I expect us to make Pitts happen unless someone can talk Daddy out of it, which has happened before.

Really nice post with sound marketing logic of the brand. Great job man.

JBS · Apr 12, 2021

I've been saying this for a while. The writing has been on the wall, the Cowboys are going to move up in the draft. I don't think it's going to be at 10, although, it could, but if it's not at 10 then it's at 44. I don't know if they will move up from 44 into round 1 but they will move up

blueblood70 · Apr 12, 2021

Risen Star said:
The Cowboys have 10 selections in the 2021 NFL draft. Only the Philadelphia Eagles (11) have more.

The Cowboys need Trader Jerry to reappear.

They don't need wild-uncle Jerry making trades for trades' sake, which seemed to be the case in 2009, a special-teams-centric draft that turned out to be one of the Cowboys' worst drafts.

The Cowboys need with-a-purpose Jerry to make moves.

To many, it might scream that using all 10 picks is the best way to help cost certainty, but there is no way 10 draft picks, plus a couple of undrafted free agents, will make the 53-man roster. Before folks get carried away by remembering sixth- and seventh-round success stories, there are far more misses and never-weres.

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Todd is advocating moving up and having a smaller class.

There just isn't room on this roster for 10 new players from this draft or even in the world.

round one stay put or trade down
turn 10-12 pics into 6 with trades UP and up targets not settle for whats lefts

yes quality over quantity..

conner01 · Apr 12, 2021

I’m all for trading up
Just not at 10
I’d walk away with 3-4 players and be happy
By trading for more second and third round picks
But trading up at 10 doesn’t thrill me
A trade up for a TE is idiotic
If surtain or Parson is there I’d take either
I wouldn’t mind a trade back a few spots if it added a second and would even throw in a late pick to make that happen
Just don’t see the player worth trading up for at 10

conner01 · Apr 12, 2021

JBS said:
I've been saying this for a while. The writing has been on the wall, the Cowboys are going to move up in the draft. I don't think it's going to be at 10, although, it could, but if it's not at 10 then it's at 44. I don't know if they will move up from 44 into round 1 but they will move up

I’m all for moving up later for quality players
Just don’t see the need at 10

J12B · Apr 12, 2021

Risen Star said:
The Cowboys have 10 selections in the 2021 NFL draft. Only the Philadelphia Eagles (11) have more.

The Cowboys need Trader Jerry to reappear.

They don't need wild-uncle Jerry making trades for trades' sake, which seemed to be the case in 2009, a special-teams-centric draft that turned out to be one of the Cowboys' worst drafts.

The Cowboys need with-a-purpose Jerry to make moves.

To many, it might scream that using all 10 picks is the best way to help cost certainty, but there is no way 10 draft picks, plus a couple of undrafted free agents, will make the 53-man roster. Before folks get carried away by remembering sixth- and seventh-round success stories, there are far more misses and never-weres.

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Todd is advocating moving up and having a smaller class.

There just isn't room on this roster for 10 new players from this draft or even in the world.

This is going to be one of the weirdest drafts ever with how last year's college season went. Scouting took a huge hit with them not being allowed to attend games. Factor in players sitting out and how that affects the competition some of the talented players were facing may make them seem better than they actually are and some players just didn't have the chance to sign.

It may make more sense to keep all the picks and take as many swings as you can hoping to hit a grand slam.

Or trade for next year's picks.

This is going to be one crazy draft bro

Kingofholland · Apr 12, 2021

fivetwos said:
I've been saying all along....deal down from 10 but up thereafter.

Makes full sense and I agree with the point....

Just that the idea of Jerry doing much of anything is bothersome.

If Surtain and Parsons are off the board that would be the prudent move. Trade down 4 to 5 spots get Horn and an extra 3rd. That gives you a lot of flexibility to trade up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

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