The Zeke Conundrum

fivetwos said:

Yep, he will be great again with huge running lanes.

So would anyone.

Plain, simple and fair....the guy was dynamic early in his career. He no longer is.

There are few, if any, examples of RBs that are great, go into decline, then return to form.

At the same time there are many who were great for a handful of seasons, then dramatically dropped off.

It ought to be clear to everyone from the people who can't stand him to the ones that invested 300 in his jersey amd defend him to the end.....that this player is in sharp decline.

I certainly hope he defies the odds, and he is no doubt capable.

Question is..... does he want it?

He won already in college. He got paid. He is coast mode.

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kskboys said:

Man, I've tried to root for Zeke. He's not an easy player to like, bursting w/ strange attitude.

As far as I'm concerned, Zeke has one more shot in my own little world. If he's truly a stud player, he needs to arrive in the best shape of his life and play balls to the walls the entire season, surging and zigging and zagging and making life miserable for the opposing D. Zeke can play, we know that, but while his skillset is very good, it's not the dominant type of skillset where he can just come in and cruise and still dominate like Randy Moss, for example.

Zeke is capable. It's up to him now whether he becomes a footnote and a semi-best or one of the best of all time. He has it in him to be just that, but I don't know if he can change what's inside him. At this point, he's on his last gasp w/ me.

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gjkoeppen said:

I see you didn't address your reading and comprehension problem, but again tried to change what you last said. Stop trying to blame Jones for what goodell did with Elliott and.his domestic violence. That was ALL on Elliott. Then you tried to drag Prescott in on an argument about Elliott. Stop reaching for straws. You you did LIE when you tried to pass off something I never said or implied as something I did say or implied. Don't get upset because you got caught doing EXACTLY what you accused me of doing.
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fivetwos said:

I cringe every time I see his feed me crap when this team has been a poster child for underachieving since before he has been here....and he hasn't done much to change that.

Notice he stopped doing it when he realized the other team would prefer we feed him instead of pass.....or was it the mental checkout last year when he put the ball on the ground constantly?

People tend to think players are robots because of fantasy. They aren't.

I dont care who tells me what he did in the past. All I know is we have a HOF talent who is capable of leading the team IF he wants to.

That's a larger IF than LVE staying healthy.

That's my problem with him....he just doesn't want it, and it's ALWAYS been team second to him.

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Cowboy Lover said:

I don;t like it either. In college it was cute. NFL...not so much. Especially when you are losing games.

I noticed he hasn't done it as much lately and hope he continues to just run the *darn* ball.

I also hope the coaches design a GAME PLAN to sub Pollard in...with intent to make the D honest...rather than when zeke raises his hand.

I do disagree that "it's just about him and always has been". Not true at all. The kid gave up his body blocking LBers AND Offensive lineman. That isn't a "me first" thing. That's giving up your body to keep a QB healthy. And therefor the entire offense and maybe team. Most RB's don't do that kind of blocking. Very few. And certainly not the NFL rushing leaders.

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Starforever said:

Dak nor Zeke, are good enough for this fickle fan base. If they were both paid the vet minimum, they still would be denigrated.

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Cowboy Lover said:

Pointing out your flawed theory is NOT "grasping at straws". I used your theory that a player MUST improve every single year to be good enough for you. I pointed out how that was easy for Dak...1300 yards his rookie year was pretty darn good! But can easily be surpassed in a good year like 2019 for example.

You would expect a rookie to have the usual stats. Or even none at all most times. All can easily abide by your theory.

Zeke on the other hand...using YOUR "theory" is WAY more difficult to "improve every year"...on the MOST rushing yards ever by a rookie? WAY HARDER TO DO! And unrealistic. He would have to be the best RB ever in NFL history. DUMB!

The 2017 rushing leader only had 1327, that year during a six game suspension, zeke had nearly 1000. His two "trending down" years he had 1350-ish. Good enough to be a rushing leader many years.

It's a ridiculous notion and I pointed it out to you. You either to dim or too agenda driven to admit it.

So is it a fact Jerry fueded with GODell? Of course it's a fact. IS it a fact law enforcement and justice department dismissed charges from a lying "witness". Also true. Is it a fact that GODells' OWN FEMALE investigator recommended NO ACTION. Yes. FACT!.

So why else such a hug suspension other than vendetta? Of course that's not a "fact"...but the facts easily support that conclusion. If you don't let hate blind you.

So I don't buy THAT...nor do i buy that he's become a trash NFL RB. The facts do not support it. You CAN make the (idiotic) case that he has not improved his rushing numbers from his rookie year. So the most EVER by an NFL rookie needs MORE to prove his worth? Ridiculous.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Carry on.

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Starforever said:

Look at the lemmings jumping off the cliff. Dak nor Zeke, are good enough for this fickle fan base. If they were both paid the vet minimum, they still would be denigrated. All of the football geniuses, know better than the coaching staff and management, on how to manage and coach the team. Failed marriages and relationships, poor parenting and being fired from jobs, but able to assess the goings on of a pro football team. Opinions are one thing, but vitriol and personal statements about players, without knowing them is juvenile.

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gjkoeppen said:

AGAIN you're TRYING to push false lies as facts and proving ONCE AGAIN that you don't know what you're TRYING to talk about. The record for the the most rushing yards for the season by a rookie RB is held by Eric Dickerson in 1983 with 1,808 yards. Oh he topped that the following year with 2.105 yards. So much for your oh as a rookie he did so well that he can't top that logic. Oh and the female that accused Elliott of domestic violence who all of a sudden changed her story and charges were dropped using your mystical way of projecting things, many still to this day believe Elliott paid her off to change her story so charges would get dropped especially just after the charges were dropped she moved into a very expensive apartment. Where did she get that money to do that? You also forgot that there needs no conviction to violate the acceptable behavior clause in EVERY player's contract. If a player tarnishes the shield he can get suspended. Ya Elliott is just a prince of a guy who pulls down the top of a female in front of thousands of people and then plays with her breasts. That's the type of guy every father wants their daughter to marry. You are the ridiculous one TRYING to change Elliott's off the field behavior as OK and believing a continual drop in production is also OK. If Landry was still alive and the head coach Elliott would have been cut the same day he was arrested.
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gjkoeppen said:

AGAIN you're TRYING to push false lies as facts and proving ONCE AGAIN that you don't know what you're TRYING to talk about. The record for the the most rushing yards for the season by a rookie RB is held by Eric Dickerson in 1983 with 1,808 yards. Oh he topped that the following year with 2.105 yards. So much for your oh as a rookie he did so well that he can't top that logic. Oh and the female that accused Elliott of domestic violence who all of a sudden changed her story and charges were dropped using your mystical way of projecting things, many still to this day believe Elliott paid her off to change her story so charges would get dropped especially just after the charges were dropped she moved into a very expensive apartment. Where did she get that money to do that? You also forgot that there needs no conviction to violate the acceptable behavior clause in EVERY player's contract. If a player tarnishes the shield he can get suspended. Ya Elliott is just a prince of a guy who pulls down the top of a female in front of thousands of people and then plays with her breasts. That's the type of guy every father wants their daughter to marry. You are the ridiculous one TRYING to change Elliott's off the field behavior as OK and believing a continual drop in production is also OK. If Landry was still alive and the head coach Elliott would have been cut the same day he was arrested.
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fivetwos said:

That part is ridiculously inaccurate.

I won't as much as comment on the rest.

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GroundZero1970 said:

Do we keep Zeke for next season ( not this coming season)? If not do we make a move on Sermon in round 2? Zeke makes a ton of money. Sermon is a cheaper version of Zeke imho. It is an interesting take I think. It bears thought...

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Cowboy Lover said:

"many believe zeke paid her off". Really.....talk about making stuff up!

And what about her own friends who said she lied? Paid them off too, I suppose?

Sorry about the error on the most rookie yards. That was just that an mistake not a lie. Page loading problem on my source. Certainly one SO smart as yourself can discern the difference. Is "second best ever".....not good enough?

2nd best ever...next to Eric Dickerson? Come on...now you are just being a richard. Have a great day!

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blueblood70 said:

never would have happened !

EE cut by Landry? nope

explain all the drug fueled parties made famous in North Dallas forty , sorry but Hollywood Henderson among many many others not only did elicit illegal drugs' but used steroids on the regular.

they got in bar fights, fights on and off the field, some never made the news easily covered up by yup coaches..SM and media today you cant get sideways fart past them,..get over it stars dont get cut they get 100 chances in all sports leagues..

what zeke did was immature at worst but so dont come in her exclaiming to know what Landry would have done. maybe they could have more in non cap league that was far different scenario,. Murderers have bene allowed to play , oops suspected murderers, woman beaters, people who assaults' people and substances abuse issues that go beyond normal let go al around the league..this isnt a jerry jones issue, this is life and sports meeting in the middle..

zeke didnt do anything what would have got him cut by anyone at anytime..nope Jimmy has White house, parcels had Lawerence and others constantly getting into trouble. You would like to think coaches were very different back then, nope watch movies like Varsity blues this stuff goes on in HS, colleges, and the pros..stars get away with a lot and treated differently.

get over that narrative..

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fivetwos said:

I cringe every time I see his feed me crap when this team has been a poster child for underachieving since before he has been here....and he hasn't done much to change that.

Notice he stopped doing it when he realized the other team would prefer we feed him instead of pass.....or was it the mental checkout last year when he put the ball on the ground constantly?

People tend to think players are robots because of fantasy. They aren't.

I dont care who tells me what he did in the past. All I know is we have a HOF talent who is capable of leading the team IF he wants to.

That's a larger IF than LVE staying healthy.

That's my problem with him....he just doesn't want it, and it's ALWAYS been team second to him.

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Big_D said:

His feed me routine is a joke. Seems redundant when he's pulling himself off the field. He can't be gone soon enough.

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kskboys said:

No RB in the history of the NFL looks/looked good while being hit behind the LOS consistently.

In 1995, Emmit Smith averaged 4.7 YPC. In 96, it was 3.7. Did he suddenly suck?

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Cowboy Lover said:

The thing is...zeke has always been great by having carries. EXCELS later in the game when the D is beat up. Because his coaches knew how to manage it. Regardless of YPG in the first half. You just keep beating them up.

Funny thing is there are people HERE..that say he wasn't great because he had a lot of carries. You can see this by people that automatically give thumbs up to zeke hate posts...without even commenting. aria...roy...you can see it. They just pavlov it. Like slobbering dogs.

But he's ALWAYS gotten better by having a coach that knows how to manage the game. Stay on target, manage the substitutions...and keep giving him the ball through the whole game. Even when it SEEMS he's not getting yards. But they knew...they knew to keep feeding him through sheer will. That's how he works.

Then he goes to a team that the fans HATE the coach for being a complete fool. Even the owner...gets ridiculed for being as complete idiot fool . But now suddenly...the player gets it too by god. Because the PLAYER manages the game? The PLAYER signs his own checks? And gives HIMSELF the raises? It's all completely ridiculous but these trying times I am not surprised people are absolutely idiot fools.

The feed me stems from reality- it works....and even Emmitt knows how this works. Emmitt didn't have to give a sign...but that was a long time ago in a different era. The coach just did it.

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