The folks that want Pitts, Sewell, Slater

Dre11 · Apr 18, 2021

RandyOh said:
You dont pass on blue chip players to take need. I would have no problem with Surtain, but any other defensive player besides him is a reach and yes that includes Horn(small reach). Not to mention the game is won and lost in the trenches and we have already lost a generational talent at Center in Fredbeard. We also have 2 offensive tackles with injuries that could cause them to hang it up at any time like Fredbeard.

Now Pitts is absolutely a luxury at first, but yall need to start thinking how these players fit longer term and not just there first year or 2. Pitts, along with Lamb, can be who we build our offense around for the next 10+ years. Quit treating the draft as an extension of free agency and get the best cheap young talent you can get.

Really? If the blue chipper is a qb , you reading him with the contract your qb have, if you have a starter on that blue chipper position and he's going to sit are you picking him?

Havic · Apr 18, 2021

You go for the blue chip player (non qb) for sure, especially if it is on the line. There is plenty of quality cb's in this draft that will go in the 2nd round.

TWOK11 · Apr 18, 2021

Early round corners have an incredibly high bust rate. Any of the players you listed is more of a “sure thing”. That’s why people want them.

If Horn or Surtain are future shutdown corners then great, but a great player at a position of lesser need is better than a bust at corner.

Dre11 · Apr 18, 2021

Point-of-the-Star said:
This Joe Horn, is he the kinfolk to renown gunslinger Tom Horn?

I thought Horn was done wrong.

BTW . . . I think JayCee Horn is the better choice with more upside than Surtain II . Having said that there is an argument for taking Pitts or Sewell if one happened top slide down to us at #10. If that was to happen and one of those chosen i would not lose sleep over it as this is a deep DB class and would concentrate going DB with the next 2 picks. Trevon Diggs was a #2 and he has been pretty good.

Diggs really didn't play all that well, he was lost a lot, the talk is Surtain was the better CB at Alabame.

Dre11 · Apr 18, 2021

steve_treptow said:
I don’t disagree about corner being a need and think I would rather have Surtain instead of Slater. But I also think what Pitts brings (probably won’t make it to 10) is also going to be a need, especially in 2022. Think about it this way, we most likely are going to have to make a decision between Gallup and Cooper next year, Schultz is a free agent, and Jarwin is coming off a ACL and could be a potential cap causality. Pitts makes any of those decisions a lot easier. Think Sewell is just to good to pass up as well.

I'm not worrying about 2022, they can make a move on Cooper or Gallup in 2022 with or without Pitts, you have Lamb right now who can move to 1 or 2 in the WR position, finding a 3rd wr in 2022 is not hard.

Dre11 · Apr 18, 2021

shabazz said:
If Surtain turns out to be the shutdown corner some expect him to be,I have no issue drafting him. My only concern May be the lack of interceptions. A total of 4 , I believe.

I haven’t watched enough of his games but perhaps the other teams were throwing away from him, much like what happened with Jalen Ramsey in college. This team has desperately needed a ball hawk in the secondary for a long time

People have to stop worrying about ints at some point. Individual players don't get a lot of ints anymore the highest you may see is 6-7 a year? There are very rare you see double digit ints, if the CB is great he don't get the opp. For a lot because QBs don't target them or because the rules makes it hard. 1 cb had 10, 1 with 9, the next was 6. Out of 96 starting CBs

visionary · Apr 18, 2021

ninja said:
Lions drafted Okudah at #3 and he stunk it up. Diggs outperformed Okudah. What makes you think Surtain is a sure thing? Like last year with Diggs, maybe the best CB in the draft can be obtained in the 2nd round.

Pick the best player available regardless of position or current need.

i don’t want an offensive player but if that is the much better option I’ll take it and that means only Sewell or Pitts

otherwise I trade down

no way do I take one of these over-rated CBs at 10. Surtain didn’t even do the agility drills because he knows his numbers are not good. I hope we don’t pick up one of these 2 at 10

Big_D · Apr 18, 2021

Havic said:
You go for the blue chip player (non qb) for sure, especially if it is on the line. There is plenty of quality cb's in this draft that will go in the 2nd round.

1st round Oline? Haven't we been doing that. Have a top tier T through his prime an all pro G through his prime, A center through his prime that just retired, Collins a guy who would've went in the first. And of course the RD1 RB. All to no avail whatsoever.. amounted once again to absolutely nothing. Now we're good enough to draft players who are gonna ride the pine or wait out retirement. lol While the D stinks yet again.Or is Quinn a miracle worker? People are funny around here. Had a top tier Oline and the best they could muster was a yearly 8-8 cause the other side of the ball was so bad and some are still drafting offense? lol

Cowboys22 · Apr 18, 2021

Big_D said:
He'a the last resort at the price. 2 quality CBs which is a high paid position on rookie scale.. that goes a very long way. cap dollars don't grow on trees. Now we're gonna hit the "after draft bargain bin" and find a steal? Or in desperate times just trade next years first come October?

Who cares about the price? It’s not my or your money and they can do anything they WANT to cap wise. Diggs + a rookie may be nice 2 years from now but doesn’t really excite me for this year. Certainly not enough to pass up talents like Sewell or Pitts. Both will likely be gone and a CB or trade back will make the most sense but if one is there I happily take them just like we did Lamb last year and figure out the CB depth chart starting in round 2. No brainer for me but I don’t get caught up in having to have a certain position taken with a certain pick. I like to weigh all available options when it’s time a decide what I think makes the team better for the long term. I also know that there are other CBS in the draft who can play football and there will be veterans available all the way up to and through training camp, some bargain basement, some not so much. If needed, the team can make a move to get another CB at any time.

Sydla · Apr 18, 2021

We need a CB.

But Sewell is a top 5 guy IMO. You have to take him.

Dre11 · Apr 18, 2021

TWOK11 said:
Early round corners have an incredibly high bust rate. Any of the players you listed is more of a “sure thing”. That’s why people want them.

If Horn or Surtain are future shutdown corners then great, but a great player at a position of lesser need is better than a bust at corner.

Early first round lineman bust a lot too, so does TE. There's a greater need at Corner than line and TE.

Havic · Apr 18, 2021

Big_D said:
1st round Oline? Haven't we been doing that. Have a top tier T through his prime an all pro G through his prime, A center through his prime that just retired, Collins a guy who would've went in the first. And of course the RD1 RB. All to no avail whatsoever.. amounted once again to absolutely nothing. Now we're good enough to draft players who are gonna ride the pine or wait out retirement. lol While the D stinks yet again.Or is Quinn a miracle worker? People are funny around here. Had a top tier Oline and the best they could muster was a yearly 8-8 cause the other side of the ball was so bad and some are still drafting offense? lol

The O-line last season was a disaster full of injuries. If Sewell is there at 10, how do you pass a guy like him up? We can still grab quality db's in the 2nd round or free agency, especially after training camp and final cuts.

DuncanIso · Apr 18, 2021

ChronicCowboy said:
If we draft an OT, there’s a subplot.

Tyron and/or Collins may be finished. Or we may be interested in moving Collins inside.

Pitts ain’t happening. He’ll go top 5 and the last thing we need is a receiver.

Collins has a bad hip.

the exact injury is a big secret. His agent probably doesn’t want it known.

Because LC can be cut after 2021 and Dallas saves mega $$$.

I think TSmith has 2-3 seasons left.

DuncanIso · Apr 18, 2021

Havic said:
The O-line last season was a disaster full of injuries. If Sewell is there at 10, how do you pass a guy like him up? We can still grab quality db's in the 2nd round or free agency, especially after training camp and final cuts.

yup.

If an out of shape Collins can’t play, we are stuck with Steele.

why take that chance again?

DuncanIso · Apr 18, 2021

Sydla said:
We need a CB.

But Sewell is a top 5 guy IMO. You have to take him.

When Chido left and they paid Lewis, our starters became Brown, Lewis, and Diggs.

Maybe Diggs is the CB1.

it’s gonna be a lot of Cover 3 zone anyways. 8/

cowboyec · Apr 18, 2021

of course not.
we won't be drafting this high again for a long time.
if we have a shot at taking pitts....or one of those franchise OTs...and they are graded higher on our board than surtain or horn...take them.
and we can still get a really good CB in the 2nd or 3rd.
if we have a shot now to draft Tyron's eventual replacement...why not.
the draft isn't only about now....its also about down the road.
at 10...all options should be on the table...position wise.
if its a QB...we trade the pick.
we settled that issue and im not looking to blow up the locker room by taking a QB.
bottom line.....stick to your board.

CowboysNation85 · Apr 18, 2021

Dre11 said:
Don't care about the CB position? Right now we have one starter on the roster at CB and I'm not fond of a rookie starter there, but we passed on veteran CBs in Free agency so right now the only way to get one seems to be the draft. If we draft Slater, Sewell or Pitts, we lose Surtain and Joe Horn. Not only is Surtain a great pick at 10, He fits a need and arguably the BPA on defense side of the ball. Why would you do anything else on draft day but take him.?

Agree with you but don’t count out a free agent CB after draft. After comp. pick date expires.

sdfidaho · Apr 18, 2021

Dre11 said:
Really? If the blue chipper is a qb , you reading him with the contract your qb have, if you have a starter on that blue chipper position and he's going to sit are you picking him?

There won't be a Blue Chip QB at 10....moot point

Dre11 · Apr 18, 2021

CowboysNation85 said:
Agree with you but don’t count out a free agent CB after draft. After comp. pick date expires.

There have to be a starting CB out there in FA.
Haven't most signed somewhere?

CowboysNation85 · Apr 18, 2021

Dre11 said:
There have to be a starting CB out there in FA.
Haven't most signed somewhere?

Richard Sherman is still out there

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