If Marvin Wilson opted out for 2020 he would be a

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Zekeats said:

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25 probably. I think Barmore would still be higher

darthseinfeld said:

25 probably. I think Barmore would still be higher

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I like Barmores film a lot more. Wilson reminds me of a slower version of Gallimore. His hands are stronger and more active but for the most part i don't see how he would add anything different/better than what Gallimore already brings.

This is such a great point. There will be SO MANY draft busts from the 2021 class, because the memory of 2 seasons ago prevails. Additionally, the lack of a singular draft combine, where all were held to the same standards, will further cloud the true and accurate conditioning of athletes.

I do believe that the Cowboys can clean up when it comes to their strong scouting department, I hope that the draft picks are based on their expertise!

Zekeats said:

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Being a draft geek, I wouldn't draft a player in the first 3 rounds that opted out 2020.

First, if a player doesn't love the game and is looking for a way not to play when he hasn't (in theory) been payed, then I can't imagine his commitment when checks start getting deposited.

Secondly, none of these players are finished products and it's tricky trying to figure out how much missing a year of development will hurt.

Third, the reason for this discussion, how many times do you see players picked go high in Pre-Season mocks to see them fall off a cliff come time to get drafted.

Take players that produced in 2020 and let other teams take the chances.

The draft is a dodgy business as it is so, trust the players that made the effort to play and produced in very trying times in 2020

Pre-Season mocks had Marvin Wilson consistently as a top 10 pick and now, I wouldn't expect him to be top 125

Clarke82 said:

Being a draft geek, I wouldn't draft a player in the first 3 rounds that opted out 2020.

First, if a player doesn't love the game and is looking for a way not to play when he hasn't (in theory) been payed, then I can't imagine his commitment when checks start getting deposited.

Secondly, none of these players are finished products and it's tricky trying to figure out how much missing a year of development will hurt.

Third, the reason for this discussion, how many times do you see players picked go high in Pre-Season mocks to see them fall off a cliff come time to get drafted.

Take players that produced in 2020 and let other teams take the chances.

The draft is a dodgy business as it is so, trust the players that made the effort to play and produced in very trying times in 2020

Pre-Season mocks had Marvin Wilson consistently as a top 10 pick and now, I wouldn't expect him to be top 125

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Interesting.
I understand your reasoning.

Zekeats said:

I like Barmores film a lot more. Wilson reminds me of a slower version of Gallimore. His hands are stronger and more active but for the most part i don't see how he would add anything different/better than what Gallimore already brings.

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Wilson at his best is a well rounded player. However even at his best, I don't think he effects games like Barmore has the ability too

nathanlt said:

This is such a great point. There will be SO MANY draft busts from the 2021 class, because the memory of 2 seasons ago prevails. Additionally, the lack of a singular draft combine, where all were held to the same standards, will further cloud the true and accurate conditioning of athletes.

I do believe that the Cowboys can clean up when it comes to their strong scouting department, I hope that the draft picks are based on their expertise!

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Agreed, evaluation process is a lot tougher this year likely leading to more busts. But also think there should be some surprise players littered throughout the draft.

Kingofholland said:

Agreed, evaluation process is a lot tougher this year likely leading to more busts. But also think there should be some surprise players littered throughout the draft.

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If last years' draft is any indication, our scouts were able to pull the best mix of BPA philosophy with needs. Every player after CeeDee could have gone a round earlier. Incredible.

nathanlt said:

If last years' draft is any indication, our scouts were able to pull the best mix of BPA philosophy with needs. Every player after CeeDee could have gone a round earlier. Incredible.

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Four players from last years class are likely to be week 1 starters this year.

Factually speaking, we got 5 players that started last year. But do we really want to count DiNucci lol

nathanlt said:

If last years' draft is any indication, our scouts were able to pull the best mix of BPA philosophy with needs. Every player after CeeDee could have gone a round earlier. Incredible.

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Yeah I think everyone loved the draft last season, except all that wanted a 2nd rate defensive player at 17.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Cowboys interest in Marvin Wilson is at the 1T. He's very good against the run.

Get ready folks.. outside maybe the top four picks.. this draft is set up to be be a wild ride, and of course, this includes the Cowboys pick as well.

With the absence of the combine and the addition of non-contact, virtual meetings with players.. the scouting departments of every team is stretched thin with their player evaluations. At the very best, the top scouting departments have data and very limited character evals of specific players they have been targeting. The “lying” phase of prospects is in full swing and scouts have to “Trust the tape” more than ever(which might not be a bad thing). Players that may have swayed a scouts eyes during the combine.. didn’t have that chance this year. Coaches tend to pick players their familiar/comfortable with, rather than roll the dice on possibly a better player.

This will lend its hand to more “scratch you head” moments in this draft. Marvin Wilson is a great example of this. He’s obviously a decent talent, maybe even a 1st Rd talent, but bc he opted out.. and no combine to recoup his draft status.. I’ve consistently seen him mocked late 3rd and 4th Rd. I’m not debating where he should be drafted, I’m saying, I’d definitely draft him in the 4th if he’s available. But that’s just it.. nobody knows what other teams value him and/or how high.

This draft is going to be a wild draft due to the information gap between players. But for some reason, I feel like that actually may be beneficial for the Cowboys.

Zekeats said:

I like Barmores film a lot more. Wilson reminds me of a slower version of Gallimore. His hands are stronger and more active but for the most part i don't see how he would add anything different/better than what Gallimore already brings.

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First, Galimore is about to have a break-out year on his way to becoming a superstar wearing the star. So if you think Wilson can be another Galimore then bring him on.

Clarke82 said:

Being a draft geek, I wouldn't draft a player in the first 3 rounds that opted out 2020.

First, if a player doesn't love the game and is looking for a way not to play when he hasn't (in theory) been payed, then I can't imagine his commitment when checks start getting deposited.

Secondly, none of these players are finished products and it's tricky trying to figure out how much missing a year of development will hurt.

Third, the reason for this discussion, how many times do you see players picked go high in Pre-Season mocks to see them fall off a cliff come time to get drafted.

Take players that produced in 2020 and let other teams take the chances.

The draft is a dodgy business as it is so, trust the players that made the effort to play and produced in very trying times in 2020

Pre-Season mocks had Marvin Wilson consistently as a top 10 pick and now, I wouldn't expect him to be top 125

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I couldn't agree more but I am also a gambler. Let me ask you this because it's obviously not true about the first 3 rounds because if Slater was there in the 2nd round you would draft him correct? As far as Wilson goes he just looks like he has next to nothing as far as athleticism. Not sure how/why we would be taking him at 44.

speedkilz88 said:

I wouldn't be shocked if the Cowboys interest in Marvin Wilson is at the 1T. He's very good against the run.

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I just didn't see it on tape as well as McNeil plays the run. That guy is the definition of 1T.

Jeff Cavanaugh still has Wilson at 2 after Barmore both second round grades.

darthseinfeld said:

Wilson at his best is a well rounded player. However even at his best, I don't think he effects games like Barmore has the ability too

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Where do you play Barmore & Wilson? Can they play the 1T like A. McNeil?

I don't think so. Looks like their best fit is 3T although they can probably play both positions

brooksey1 said:

Where do you play Barmore & Wilson? Can they play the 1T like A. McNeil?

I don't think so. Looks like their best fit is 3T

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But gallimore could. Looked good there vs Pitt. Barmore would be a perfect fit for this team

Zekeats said:

But gallimore could. Looked good there vs Pitt. Barmore would be a perfect fit for this team

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I like Barmore a lot and I know they (Wilson) can probably play both positions, while McNeil is more of just a 1-Tech

If you pick Barmore in the first or Wilson in the 3rd-4th rd what would your position plan with them be in 2021?