Norms names to watch for 2nd RD, 3rd and 4th rd

reddyuta · Apr 20, 2021

Jevon Holland

Joe tryon

ronnie Perkins(meh)

Cosmi(OT)

3rd RD-

hamsah nasiruddin

Jamar johnson

osa odigizuwa

jay tufele

4th rd

ARdarius washington(no chance he is there in the 4th)

tommy tremble(TE).

chataris atwell(WR Louisville)

Adiba1977 · Apr 20, 2021

Holland or grant in 2nd

best DT/LB/WR/another CB with 3rd round picks

Washington might be there late 3rd/4th but I’m not interested and not drafting.

morasp · Apr 20, 2021

I hope someone falls to them in the second round. Bolton, Turner, Moehrig, Davis Phillips, Collins, Onwuzurike

Gaede · Apr 20, 2021

I like all of these names AND the round. Except for Cosmi.

Also, yes, Washington will be there. He's a short and slow safety. He will not be highly rated.

A draft of:
Surtain/Horn, Holland, Tufele, and Tutu would be pretty damn good to me.

MrPhil · Apr 20, 2021

Sorry for potentially hijacking this thread but I know there are sensitives here about starting duplicate threads.

So, I did a little exercise similar to this using the Athletics' Top 300 list that was released today which merges the "Top 50" rankings into a single Top 300. I focused on what I thought were biggest positions of need (DT, DE, LB, CB, S, OT). I also assumed that for each pick, we would be looking at the names in the half-round following that pick. So, for example, at Pick #44, we would be looking at the players between ranks 44 and 60 in the aforementioned Top 300.

Round 2 (Pick #44)
DT Onwuzurike
DT Nixon

DE Basham Jr.
DE Tryon

LB Bolton
LB Cox

CB Stokes
CB Melifonwu
CB Molden
CB Campbell

S Grant

OT Radumz
OT Eichenburg
OT Mayfield

Round 3 (Pick #75)
DT McNeil
DT Togiai
DT Tufele
DT Williams

LB Werner

CB Adebo

S Cisco
S Nasrildeen

OT Brown
OT Christensen

Round 3 (Pick #99)
DT Shelvin
DT Wilson
DT Odeyingbo
DT Tuipulotu

DE Weaver
DE Jones II
DE Smith

LB Moses

CB Wade

S Hufanga

OT Hudson

Round 4 (Pick #115)
DT Tuipulotu
DT Odighizuwa

DE Sample

CB Rochell
CB St-Juste
CB Thomas
CB Brown

S Washington
S Deablo
S Gillespie
S Sterns

OT Forsythe
OT Smith

Round 4 (Pick #138)
DT Brown III
DT Twyman

DE Toney
DE Smith
DE Robinson

LB Barnes

CB Mukuamu
CB Vincent Jr.
CB Graham Jr.

S Wiggins

OT Hainsey

My personal obersvations (in no particular order):
1. If you want a day-one starter at CB you better get one early, otherwise you are looking at Round 4 or later
2. DT sweet spot appears to be Round 3
3. LB appears really thin so if you want one, better get one early
4. Lots of S options in Round 4
5. OT options taper off after Round 2

jterrell · Apr 20, 2021

MrPhil said:
Sorry for potentially hijacking this thread but I know there are sensitives here about starting duplicate threads.

So, I did a little exercise similar to this using the Athletics' Top 300 list that was released today which merges the "Top 50" rankings into a single Top 300. I focused on what I thought were biggest positions of need (DT, DE, LB, CB, S, OT). I also assumed that for each pick, we would be looking at the names in the half-round following that pick. So, for example, at Pick #44, we would be looking at the players between ranks 44 and 60 in the aforementioned Top 300.

Round 2 (Pick #44)
DT Onwuzurike
DT Nixon

DE Basham Jr.
DE Tryon

LB Bolton
LB Cox

CB Stokes
CB Melifonwu
CB Molden
CB Campbell

S Grant

OT Radumz
OT Eichenburg
OT Mayfield

Round 3 (Pick #75)
DT McNeil
DT Togiai
DT Tufele
DT Williams

LB Werner

CB Adebo

S Cisco
S Nasrildeen

OT Brown
OT Christensen

Round 3 (Pick #99)
DT Shelvin
DT Wilson
DT Odeyingbo
DT Tuipulotu

DE Weaver
DE Jones II
DE Smith

LB Moses

CB Wade

S Hufanga

OT Hudson

Round 4 (Pick #115)
DT Tuipulotu
DT Odighizuwa

DE Sample

CB Rochell
CB St-Juste
CB Thomas
CB Brown

S Washington
S Deablo
S Gillespie
S Sterns

OT Forsythe
OT Smith

Round 4 (Pick #138)
DT Brown III
DT Twyman

DE Toney
DE Smith
DE Robinson

LB Barnes

CB Mukuamu
CB Vincent Jr.
CB Graham Jr.

S Wiggins

OT Hainsey

My personal obersvations (in no particular order):
1. If you want a day-one starter at CB you better get one early, otherwise you are looking at Round 4 or later
2. DT sweet spot appears to be Round 3
3. LB appears really thin so if you want one, better get one early
4. Lots of S options in Round 4
5. OT options taper off after Round 2

Very smart and well done post.
This is the type of exercises NFL teams are doing.
While JoeFan69 sits at home screaming BPA, teams have to try and predict what others will do and what boards will look like later on.
You can't walk away with just BPA types and call the draft a success.
You need to fill roles on your team and draft guys that have a pathway to success. --drafting martellus bennett where we did was dumb for instance. good player but bad return of value to the team.

assuming CB at 10
I'd probably go:

44: Richie Grant --yes older maxed out player but day 1 starter imo.
75: DT Tufele or Togiai --strong inside guys that battle in DT rotation.
99: OT Hudson --developmental guy that rates much higher than Steele or Knight.
115: DE Cameron Sample --Depth big DE or 3T DT who can help you on some special teams. Aldon Smith replacement as flex guy.
138: LB Barnes -- Purdue LB actually played on special teams for them and was a solid coverage guy who racked up tackles. I think he gives you more value than Joe Thomas in much the same role.

--- As you note I ran out of LB I really like so this exercise teaches me I might want to flip a couple mid round picks to move up.

RS12 · Apr 20, 2021

Joe Tyron is an intriguing prospect. I am seeing Tremble as a fast riser in a lot of places.

JeffInDC · Apr 20, 2021

MrPhil said:
Sorry for potentially hijacking this thread but I know there are sensitives here about starting duplicate threads.

So, I did a little exercise similar to this using the Athletics' Top 300 list that was released today which merges the "Top 50" rankings into a single Top 300. I focused on what I thought were biggest positions of need (DT, DE, LB, CB, S, OT). I also assumed that for each pick, we would be looking at the names in the half-round following that pick. So, for example, at Pick #44, we would be looking at the players between ranks 44 and 60 in the aforementioned Top 300.

Round 2 (Pick #44)
DT Onwuzurike
DT Nixon

DE Basham Jr.
DE Tryon

LB Bolton
LB Cox

CB Stokes
CB Melifonwu
CB Molden
CB Campbell

S Grant

OT Radumz
OT Eichenburg
OT Mayfield

Round 3 (Pick #75)
DT McNeil
DT Togiai
DT Tufele
DT Williams

LB Werner

CB Adebo

S Cisco
S Nasrildeen

OT Brown
OT Christensen

Round 3 (Pick #99)
DT Shelvin
DT Wilson
DT Odeyingbo
DT Tuipulotu

DE Weaver
DE Jones II
DE Smith

LB Moses

CB Wade

S Hufanga

OT Hudson

Round 4 (Pick #115)
DT Tuipulotu
DT Odighizuwa

DE Sample

CB Rochell
CB St-Juste
CB Thomas
CB Brown

S Washington
S Deablo
S Gillespie
S Sterns

OT Forsythe
OT Smith

Round 4 (Pick #138)
DT Brown III
DT Twyman

DE Toney
DE Smith
DE Robinson

LB Barnes

CB Mukuamu
CB Vincent Jr.
CB Graham Jr.

S Wiggins

OT Hainsey

My personal obersvations (in no particular order):
1. If you want a day-one starter at CB you better get one early, otherwise you are looking at Round 4 or later
2. DT sweet spot appears to be Round 3
3. LB appears really thin so if you want one, better get one early
4. Lots of S options in Round 4
5. OT options taper off after Round 2

So, no Holland @ S?

MrPhil · Apr 20, 2021

JeffInDC said:
So, no Holland @ S?

Good catch, I missed that. My original "window" for the prospects was only 5 spots which left him out at Pick #44 but then I realized that was probably too restrictive. Will edit my post.

EDIT: For some reason I cannot figure out how to edit my original post.....

cffl2323 · Apr 20, 2021

So the dream scenario is trade back from 10 to get an extra 2nd. Take a LB in the first, CB and whatever else falls with the two seconds, DT and OT with the two thirds, S and luxury pick with the two fourths, and fill in some upside gambles on defense, WR with speed/returner, RB or QB maybe, the rest of the way. It's really not that far fetched either.

Edit: In the first round I'd be ok with almost anything that fell that was a value outside of a few positions, but we def need a LB.

morasp · Apr 20, 2021

pick 44
Any of the top 32
Payton Turner
Eric Stokes
Quinn Meinerz
Joe Tryon
Chris Rumph
Levi Onwuzurike
Tommy Tremble
Nick Boldin
Jamin Davis
Trevon Moehrig
Caleb Farley
Jaelan Phillips
Zaven Collins

Pick 75
Asante Samuel
Wyatt Davis
Spencer Brown
Robert Rochell
Amari Rodgers
Deonte Brown
Jevon Holland
Milton Williams
Dillon Radunz
Elijah Molden
Tylan Wallace
Sam Cosmi
Creed Humphrey
Cade Johnson
Jabril Cox
Baron Browning
Rashod Bateman
Liam Eichenberg
Dayo Odeyingbo
Stone Forsythe
Joseph Ossai
Jamar Johnson
Alex Leatherwood
Nico Collins
Carlos Basham
Aaron Banks
Ifeatu Melifonwu
Pat Freimuth
Aaron Robinson
Gregory Rousseau
RIchie Grant
Josh Palmer

Pick 99
Shakur Brown
Paulson Adebo
Josh Myers
Jaylon Moore
Charles Snowden
Rondale Moore
Jackson Carmen
Cornell Powell
Dylan Moses
Amon-ra St. Brown
Kendrick Green
Bobby Brown
Michael Carter
Trey Sermon
Walker Little
Brady Christensen
Kyle Trask
Dyami Brown
Hamash Nasirildeen
Tyler Shelvin
Malcolm Koonce
Trey Smith
Ben Celveland

Bigdog · Apr 20, 2021

Little is guy I am beginning to like especially in the 3rd.

JBS · Apr 20, 2021

I'll bet Washington is available when the first pick of round 4 starts

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