Really hope Cowboys don't touch Zaven Collins

AsthmaField said:

Exactly.

I wouldn’t have spent a first on LVE and I wouldn’t on Collins. I’d rather take a chance on Phillips medical concerns than Collins. At least there’s a chance you get a guy that can be a game changer. 43 DE’s can impact the game.

At LB you just need quick a guy that can chase and hit. Those can be found outside the first round. A 6’5” 260 (270?) pound off the ball LB isn’t going to be what this defense needs. He may be able to change direction very quickly for a guy that size but he still won’t have the quickness that a guy like JOK will have. That is what Quinn needs at LB.

Now tell me that Dallas wants to use Collins as a LEO, and send him after the QB... that is a different story. But to just use him like they use LVE? No thanks.

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Majic said:

Quinn has to adjust his scheme to the player if needed.

We need to concentrate more on getting the best players. I'm hoping 'Quinn's Scheme' is reigned in and McCarthy has installed into him that we are looking for high quality versatile players and go from there

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Cowboyny said:

Quinn's scheme isn't multiple, it's very generic and simple. Front 4 needs to create pressure, linebackers will be in zone coverage.

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• McCarthy claimed that it won't be a "start over" situation with the defense under new defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and said that the focus should be less about 4-3 versus 3-4. The emphasis should be placed on "technique" and fitting a system to your players, he said. McCarthy used the word "multiple" to describe the plan for the defensive scheme.

Majic said:

Maybe, but McCarthy said the following:

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• McCarthy claimed that it won't be a "start over" situation with the defense under new defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and said that the focus should be less about 4-3 versus 3-4. The emphasis should be placed on "technique" and fitting a system to your players, he said. McCarthy used the word "multiple" to describe the plan for the defensive scheme.

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AsthmaField said:

Exactly.

I wouldn’t have spent a first on LVE and I wouldn’t on Collins. I’d rather take a chance on Phillips medical concerns than Collins. At least there’s a chance you get a guy that can be a game changer. 43 DE’s can impact the game.

At LB you just need quick a guy that can chase and hit. Those can be found outside the first round. A 6’5” 260 (270?) pound off the ball LB isn’t going to be what this defense needs. He may be able to change direction very quickly for a guy that size but he still won’t have the quickness that a guy like JOK will have. That is what Quinn needs at LB.

Now tell me that Dallas wants to use Collins as a LEO, and send him after the QB... that is a different story. But to just use him like they use LVE? No thanks.

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fivetwos said:

Another issue....Tulsa.

Level of competition.

I could swear I read somewhere last fall that this was an issue for Reggie Robinson.

Is that when they fell so in love with Collins, when they were scouting Robinson last year?

If it's the same person who concluded both, I'm not encouraged.

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Cowboyny said:

Multiple up front with the DL. MM said the same thing last year and they forced 4-3 players into a 3-4 scheme.

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Majic said:

So what will it be?

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Cowboyny said:

Quinn uses a mixture of 4-3, 3-4 personnel within his DL. Other then that the defense isn't multiple whatsoever.

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stilltheguru said:

Why wouldnt you spend a first on an all pro player? That doesnt make sense. You tell me I'm getting an all pro at 10 I take him unless its a special teamer. The logic is suspect in this thread

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CouchCoach said:

If Quinn gets a vote, does Collins fit the Bobby Wagner/Deion Jones type of LB he seems to like?

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Majic said:

McCarthy just must be referring to the front 7, I think?

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Mr_437 said:

I was a big fan of Zaven until I came across some game where he was soft **. He got blocked and fell to the ground so easily I couldn't believe it. Now dude is 270?

I like what NY posted about him being looked at as a SAM by Dallas which would be a fit, but you can't justify a 1st rounder for that role...Charles Snowden much better pick later in the draft at SAM.

For the record it didn't matter the competition level Reggie Robinson just wasn't a good football player coming out of Tulsa.

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AsthmaField said:

How would you use him in Quinn’s scheme?

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AsthmaField said:

Who told you Collins was an all pro?

And the answer is that I wouldn’t skip on an all pro player... which tells you that I don’t believe Collins will be that.

If you do that’s fine but it’s quite a leap to make him all pro when he’s only played at Tulsa so far.

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ABQCOWBOY said:

Asthma, he's the chase LB and in time, could be the LEO.

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stilltheguru said:

If he's billed as a healthy LVE what is that called?

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AsthmaField said:

A projection. It’s an educated guess.

You can’t just find a comp for a guy and then call him an all pro. Not to mention that LVE isn’t even an all pro.

Anyway, I get it. You really like Collins as a prospect. I really don’t for this defense. It’s ok.

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stilltheguru said:

Healthy LVE was an all pro. But yea its fine to disagree. I think Collibs will be a great nfl player but I dont care if we pass on him. I just responded to people who think hed be a bad selection or fit.

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