Video: Broaddus: There's a divide in the Cowboys war room about Surtain and Horn

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I gotta go with the coaches. I know, Rod wanted Taco......but you hire a new staff, let them have some ownership.
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You have to. You brought that DC in to install a system. He knows the type of players it takes to make it work. Scouts are looking at this holistically. There is a specific type of Corner needed to run this scheme. That might not be the best CB for a different scheme but it's the one that makes this scheme work.

Just draft the Oregon LT and be done with all of this already.

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Broaddus..ugh. Not sure why he thinks it makes sense to burn a pick and move up for Surtain but not to move up from the 2nd. I’d stay at 10 and take one or the other or look to move back. I’m not sure why the split matters. Just agree to take who is there.
 
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I gotta go with the coaches. I know, Rod wanted Taco......but you hire a new staff, let them have some ownership.
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So, you think that it's a better idea to let the guys who have been looking at the prospects for a couple of months have more sway than the group that have been looking at the guys, cultivating the relationships and gathering the information for years?

To me, let the coaches set the positional prototypes in terms of desired height/weight/speed/arm length/testing, and let the scouts go find those players.
 
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Plankton said:
So, you think that it's a better idea to let the guys who have been looking at the prospects for a couple of months have more sway than the group that have been looking at the guys, cultivating the relationships and gathering the information for years?

To me, let the coaches set the positional prototypes in terms of desired height/weight/speed/arm length/testing, and let the scouts go find those players.
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You’re smart....
 
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Plankton said:
So, you think that it's a better idea to let the guys who have been looking at the prospects for a couple of months have more sway than the group that have been looking at the guys, cultivating the relationships and gathering the information for years?

To me, let the coaches set the positional prototypes in terms of desired height/weight/speed/arm length/testing, and let the scouts go find those players.
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What about the the guy who has spent his entire professional career developing a Defensive scheme, who has won with it at the very highest level of his profession and who understands what kind of players he needs to make it work?

I mean, if you hire this guy to come in and be your DC and then you basically tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about in terms of players, what does that say to other Coaches around the league?

If you hope to ever bring in talented coaching, I think you don't discount them in a situation like this.

JMO
 
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He sounded like it was Coaches vs Scouts, sounds like another Watt/Taco situation with the scouts liking Surtain.
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It sounds like scheme versus talent, coaches with their scheme/teachability perspective and priority, and scouts approaching it from a capability standpoint. Much like what we talk about around here, the classical debate.

For me, talent should change the scheme, but quite often lately, talented players play out of position in Dallas
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
What about the the guy who has spent his entire professional career developing a Defensive scheme, who has won with it at the very highest level of his profession and who understands what kind of players he needs to make it work?

I mean, if you hire this guy to come in and be your DC and then you basically tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about in terms of players, what does that say to other Coaches around the league?

If you hope to ever bring in talented coaching, I think you don't discount them in a situation like this.

JMO
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The coach is the one ultimately defining the positional prototype for what works in his defense. The scouts have to be tasked with finding guys who meet those parameters. It doesn't make any sense to have a guy who, in effect, read the cliffs notes on a prospect, decide whether he is a better fit for their scheme than guys who have been scouting to the prototype provided by said coach for years. One would have more information to make the decision with. The other is operating from a deficit.
 
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Plankton said:
So, you think that it's a better idea to let the guys who have been looking at the prospects for a couple of months have more sway than the group that have been looking at the guys, cultivating the relationships and gathering the information for years?

To me, let the coaches set the positional prototypes in terms of desired height/weight/speed/arm length/testing, and let the scouts go find those players.
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Yeah. Let’s repeat the past mistakes that gave us Taco over TJ Watt and Hill over Thornhill.

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If the scouts are A LOT higher on Surtain than Horn, then I go with the scouts. Boo hoo coaches, I got you a more talented guy and now you have to figure out how to use him, my heart bleeds.

But if the evaluations are close, well then who cares?
 
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