Video: Broaddus: There's a divide in the Cowboys war room about Surtain and Horn

Sydla · Apr 23, 2021

Risen Star said:
Coaches want Horn. Scouts want Surtain.

If history is any indicator, trust the damn scouts.

mardwin · Apr 23, 2021

stilltheguru said:
Horn never played Jamar Chase or any Ohio st guys OR any Clemson guys. Horn only played Devonte Smith and got killed. Seth Williams and a few reps vs Pitts were he was holding him is his claim to fame. Surtain played the guantlet, not Horn

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 23, 2021

JBS said:
Dane brugler says the exact opposite. He says Horn isn't the best fit in this scheme and ps2 is a much better scheme fit

Yeah, that's wrong if you can, can you post that article or link? I'd be interested in hearing what leads him to these conclusions.

Sydla · Apr 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
You have to. You brought that DC in to install a system. He knows the type of players it takes to make it work. Scouts are looking at this holistically. There is a specific type of Corner needed to run this scheme. That might not be the best CB for a different scheme but it's the one that makes this scheme work.

Just draft the Oregon LT and be done with all of this already.

The problem is that if you read some stuff on Quinn, Surtain appears to be a perfect fit for what Quinn wants to do. So I hope this isn't a case of banking on the ceiling of Horn compared to Surtain while ignoring the much lower floor that might exist with Horn.

DBOY3141 · Apr 23, 2021

This is setting up to be the Taco/Watt debate 3 years from now. With the Cowboys history of drafting defense....they will select the wrong one. Fingers crossed.

JBS · Apr 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, that's wrong if you can, can you post that article or link? I'd be interested in hearing what leads him to these conclusions.

Podcast w Lindsay Rhodes...very unlikely Dane is wrong about what scheme Horn fits and doesn't fit

Sydla · Apr 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, that's wrong if you can, can you post that article or link? I'd be interested in hearing what leads him to these conclusions.

Jim Nagy, who know runs the ESPN draft analysis and is the Senior Bowl Director, says the same thing (at least with regards to Surtain). Surtain fits with what Quinn wants. And Nagy worked with Quinn in Seattle.

“I know what he likes in his corners. I’ve sat in draft meetings with him,” he told ESPN‘s Todd Archer. “I haven’t talked to Dan specifically this draft cycle about Patrick but he is that style of corner. We used to call them, ‘Seahawk corners. He has that kind of guy. He definitely has the tools that Dan would be looking for.”

morasp · Apr 23, 2021

stasheroo said:
I wonder how many of last year’s draft draftees are ‘Mike Nolan picks’?

Maybe Robinson?

JBS · Apr 23, 2021

Sydla said:
Dan Nagy, who know runs the ESPN draft analysis and is the Senior Bowl Director, says the same thing. Surtain fits with what Quinn wants. And Nagy worked with Quinn in Seattle.

Brugler also says ps2 is a better fit in this scheme

Stash · Apr 23, 2021

morasp said:
Maybe Robinson?

Sounds right.

:laugh:

stilltheguru · Apr 23, 2021

60 plus a td is proof that my reply was correct?

mardwin said:

kiheikiwi · Apr 23, 2021

This is exactly what Will McClay was bought in to rectify when the Dt fiasco came up years ago.
He will get the 2 sides together to discuss and hopefully get it right. Yes, hopefully they have leant from past mistakes coaches/Scouts and Taco/Watt. Hill/Thornhill.
If we keep making the same mistake over and over - letting coaches decide picks, why have scouts ?

unionjack8 · Apr 23, 2021

I love both players but if you don't follow your scouts advise what's the point of the whole process...

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 23, 2021

Sydla said:
Jim Nagy, who know runs the ESPN draft analysis and is the Senior Bowl Director, says the same thing (at least with regards to Surtain). Surtain fits with what Quinn wants. And Nagy worked with Quinn in Seattle.

OK, but this doesn't say that Surtain is the better fit. It says that he fits. I mean, we've all pretty much acknowledge that, both of these guys are talented CBs. That doesn't really surprise me but who is the better fit, that's really the question and if that's the reasoning being used, then I'd like to see justification for that because I don't agree with Surtain over Horn, at all in Quinn's system.

Having said all this, I don't want a CB at 10. Go figure.......

Cowboyny · Apr 23, 2021

What this tells me, Horn is going to be their pick. This morning was probably misinformation to get people to think the Cowboys had to have Surtain. Horn is a very attractive option, he has that dog in him with his competitiveness. His attitude and chip kind of reminds me of Richard Sherman. Different type of players, but competitive as hell. Many insiders have Horn over Surtain, it's really more about which flavor of ice cream you like, as they are closely rated. If Horn fits Quinn's scheme better, make the pick. Certainly helps when Pitts states Horn was the toughest match-up he faced this year.

CWR · Apr 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
You have to. You brought that DC in to install a system. He knows the type of players it takes to make it work. Scouts are looking at this holistically. There is a specific type of Corner needed to run this scheme. That might not be the best CB for a different scheme but it's the one that makes this scheme work.

Just draft the Oregon LT and be done with all of this already.

My initial preference is to go with the actual talent evaluators, but you make a hell of a point.

Cowboyny · Apr 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
OK, but this doesn't say that Surtain is the better fit. It says that he fits. I mean, we've all pretty much acknowledge that, both of these guys are talented CBs. That doesn't really surprise me but who is the better fit, that's really the question and if that's the reasoning being used, then I'd like to see justification for that because I don't agree with Surtain over Horn, at all in Quinn's system.

Having said all this, I don't want a CB at 10. Go figure.......

If tags are touching, which it seems, you go with the better scheme/team fit.

conner01 · Apr 23, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, that happens. But hey, there was this one year where we traded down, got an extra pick and a pretty dang good Center, as well.

I guess you never know.

It’s a crap shoot
To me the key is not trading very far
Some have suggested going down to 20 and that to me is too far

Carson · Apr 23, 2021

DBOY3141 said:
This is setting up to be the Taco/Watt debate 3 years from now. With the Cowboys history of drafting defense....they will select the wrong one. Fingers crossed.

Kindly disagree.

Horn and Surtain are both tops in the class. Both have elite film, experience and great stats to back them up.

Watt had one year of production and had some injury concerns. Taco was the pick as 5 DEs went ahead of him and it was a panic pick.

I completely understand what you’re saying and where you’re coming from. But either or ends up a productive player in the league.

Cowboyny · Apr 23, 2021

conner01 said:
It’s a crap shoot
To me the key is not trading very far
Some have suggested going down to 20 and that to me is too far

I have read Vegas is looking to get into the top 10, 17 might be right on that cusp.

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