Video: Broaddus: There's a divide in the Cowboys war room about Surtain and Horn

Bigdog

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I like Surtain over Horn but hopefully we won't have to choose between them as Pitts or Sewel falls in our. I know it won't happen but a guy can dream.
 

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This is exactly what we were discussing yesterday. I agree it has to be the coaches as they're looking for the best player to fit their proposed scheme.
Scheme fit should not be a tie breaker. That is how you get caught drafting lesser talents. I do not see how Horn fits better than Surtain all things considered. Not in the top ten. This is a game you can play in later rounds.
 

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Rod also wanted Hill over Thornburg.
so far the jury is still out on both players. hill has missed time and really has not proved himself yet and thornhill has been injured and been up and down in playing so far.
 

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Scheme fit should not be a tie breaker. That is how you get caught drafting lesser talents. I do not see how Horn fits better than Surtain all things considered. Not in the top ten. This is a game you can play in later rounds.
The whole point of a tie breaker is that they are similar or very close in talent.
 

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So, you think that it's a better idea to let the guys who have been looking at the prospects for a couple of months have more sway than the group that have been looking at the guys, cultivating the relationships and gathering the information for years?

To me, let the coaches set the positional prototypes in terms of desired height/weight/speed/arm length/testing, and let the scouts go find those players.

this x 1000

go with the scouts though I would pick neither CB
 

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If the scouts are A LOT higher on Surtain than Horn, then I go with the scouts. Boo hoo coaches, I got you a more talented guy and now you have to figure out how to use him, my heart bleeds.

But if the evaluations are close, well then who cares?

Horn is way over rated
 

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Actually we drafted for talent last season. Big Mike said we draft the player and make him fit the scheme

I hope we'd do it again, I'd love a super talented draft class even close to last year. Of course, too much more offense drafted, and we'll have a defense that continues to be atrocious!
 

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This is exactly what we were discussing yesterday. I agree it has to be the coaches as they're looking for the best player to fit their proposed scheme.
Marinelli had a few problems injecting his personal interest in player selection. For example Tristan Hill and Taco. So be careful what you wish for. Only Hill is still here.
 

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Sounds like a manufactured story to put out a smokescreen.
What if the real divide is between Sewell and Slater?
 

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I hope we'd do it again, I'd love a super talented draft class even close to last year. Of course, too much more offense drafted, and we'll have a defense that continues to be atrocious!
I worry less about the defense than most. Some new coaching from Quinn and fewer injuries on offense will help the defense look better easily. Stop panicking folks. The defense is going to win a few games this year. RELAX.
 

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OK, this IS about scheme people. I don't care what you say, the DC better be banging on the table for his guy or he might as well be walking out the door. This is what PFF says about both of these Corners:

1. PATRICK SURTAIN II, ALABAMA
PFF BIG BOARD RANK: 13
Surtain was the highest-graded cornerback in college football this past season and has seen his PFF grade increase every single year since his freshman campaign. It's also not hard to project him to the NFL, as he has played 662 press coverage snaps over the past two years.

2. JAYCEE HORN, SOUTH CAROLINA
PFF BIG BOARD RANK: 18
This is the press-man cornerback you want in this draft class. He allowed only eight catches from 24 targets in the SEC last season. The issue was that even with the relatively lax college rules, Horn was still flagged five times. He’ll need to reel that in at the next level.


So, as I have been trying to explain, and mind you, this was the take before Horn showed he was the faster, quicker guy, the key thing here is Horn's ability to play Press. That's what CBs are asked to do in the Seattle scheme. This is what you are looking for from your Corner. This is why he is the better pick for us. It's really pretty simple IMO but whatever......


Honestly you have summed up my thinking and honestly I feel if we want to build a tough minded defense than Jaycee Horn should be the pick. I just have some bad
feelings about Surtain and what keeps coming in my head is Morris Claiborne
 

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I dunno when this kind of thing seems to happen, they never pick the right player. Hopefully one of the OT's falls to us. We haven't really missed picking an Offensive Lineman in the higher rounds. I don't like hearing they are indecisive at that position. Just not sure they can get it right.
 

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Why do I get the feeling the Eagles will get the other one?

Ertz and Escobar, Barnett and Charlton, Shultz and Goedert, Jones and Awuzie, Lamb and Reagor. The cycle continues
 
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