Dolphins looking to trade up from 18th into top 10. Should Cowboys answer?

ChronicCowboy · Apr 25, 2021

Quality over quantity imo. There are about 10-12 blue chip prospects coming out this year. Why pass one up?

gjkoeppen · Apr 25, 2021

Whirlwin said:
It’s all about conversation just like you’re doing. What else would you have to talk about

Whirlwin how bout discussing things that aren't just rumors or speculation, things that have actually happened or actually been quoted by people actually involved with doing whatever saying that it's actually really going to happen. .I know you're smart enough to know that 98% of what sportswriters say in the off season is just unproven rumors or speculation just to get clicks to help out their wallets.
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ESisback · Apr 25, 2021

ChronicCowboy said:
Quality over quantity imo. There are about 10-12 blue chip prospects coming out this year. Why pass one up?

8 or more will be gone by #10.

wrongway · Apr 25, 2021

Jipper said:
18 isn't going to be leftovers....there are a handful of premium guys that will be gone well before ten

By most people's accounts nary a pro bowler or or hall of famer has ever been found after mid-way thru the first round. Despite plentiful evidence to the contrary.

Typhus · Apr 25, 2021

TwentyOne said:
If Sewell is not there at 10 i say yes.

Surtain is a 15-20 pick player
Horn is in the 20-25 range.

From all i hear we are in love with Horn. So we will get a player we adore and extra picks.

Quinn will be running a zone scheme more than likely, and he seems to prefer smaller more athletic type.
Surtain and Horn are both so close, its barely even 1a vs 1b.
Both are day 1 starting corners.

Robster8989 · Apr 25, 2021

ChronicCowboy said:
Quality over quantity imo. There are about 10-12 blue chip prospects coming out this year. Why pass one up?

The problem is there is no guarantee in the draft.
Look at last year. Everyone had Okudah and Henderson at the top of the CB board, and rightly so. They ended up going #3 and #9.
Yet Trevon Diggs (pick #51) had a better season than either.
Now what happens in the future no one knows.
Remember 2012? Everyone was certain that Mo Claiborne was the next SEC shut down corner.
We gave up our 2nd to move up to get him.
He was a bust.
BTW, Josh Norman was selected in the 5th round that year.
So no one knows.
If there was a guarantee that say Surtain was going to be a pro bowler, of course, you don't move back. In fact you'd ever consider moving up. But no such guarantee exists.

Now on the trade down, I am a believer in it, IF IT MAKES SENSE.
Let's say the cowboys bring in Surtain, Horn, Newsome, Melifonwu, Joesph, Farley etc, and they have have a similar grade on all of them, then yes, I would strongly consider moving back and getting another 2nd rounder. I'd maybe even move a few times if I thought I could still end up with a guy I like a lot and get several extra picks.
This is a deep draft and I really like a lot of guys slotted in the late 1st/2nd, so the more bullets you have the better.
That being said, maybe the cowboys have Surtain and Horn well above the others, then maybe, you take one of them and be grateful.
So depends on how we evaluate the players and how the dratf falls.

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 25, 2021

America's Cowboy said:
2021 NFL Draft Rumors: Dolphins looking to trade up for second top-ten pick?

By Kevin Nogle

on April 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins have already been busy in the 2021 NFL Draft, trading out of the third position, back to the 12th spot, then back up to the sixth-overall pick. Rumors over the past few days have the Dolphins considering another trade, with the common though that Miami could trade back to add additional picks either this year or in 2022. Now, however, there is some speculation that Miami could be looking to trade up, but not from the sixth spot, but rather from their second first-round pick, the 18th-overall selection.

https://www-thephinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16193223977578&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick

Dolphins currently own the (1st round) 6th, 18th and (2nd round) 50th overall picks (in RED) within the first 2 rounds.

The Cowboys own the (1st round) 10th and (2nd round) 44th overall picks (in GREEN) within the first 2 rounds.

If the Cowboys and Dolphins agreed to make a trade:

Dolphins move up from the 18th pick and get the Cowboys 10th overall pick, the Cowboys would move down 8 spots and get the Dolphins 18th overall pick while also getting the Dolphins 50th overall pick. Those 2 picks (18th & 50th) would equal the trade value (700 points difference) to trade away the 10th overall pick to the Dolphins. That would move the Cowboys down 8 spots in the 1st round, but it would also give the Cowboys another mid-2nd round pick, thus giving them 2 picks in every round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds) while still having a pick in the teens in the 1st round (Cowboys have snatched up great players in the teens spot in the 1st round in the past).

Would you rather stay put and only have 1 pick to use in each first 2 rounds, or would you make the trade down while still getting a 1st round pick in the teens while grabbing an extra mid-2nd round pick, thus securing 2 picks in each round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds)?

Lots of holes to fill on this team, especially Defense.

What say you? Should the Cowboys trade down a few picks in the 1st round while gaining an extra mid-2nd round pick or stay pat?

Yes, the Cowboys should answer.

Canada180 · Apr 25, 2021

Maxmadden said:
What about Dallas 10, 44 for Miami's 18, 36 and 50?

If 10 and 44 is more valuable to them than 18, 36 and 50 , then why would we want 18, 36 and 50

Typhus · Apr 25, 2021

ESisback said:
Doesn’t really matter who they pick, there will NEVER be a shortage of disappointed speculators. People are chomping at the bit for the draft, so we FINALLY know, putting the wraps on the ENDLESS (and mostly gloomy) speculation. Of course it’ll shift to endless speculation on the FO failure, the future of failure awaiting us, and the never ending unhappiness of a fanbase.

So very dark yet so true

nathanlt · Apr 25, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Would you rather have Pitts or Barmore and Newsome? Easy easy answer for me.

I've seen too many mocks where Barmore and Newsome are both gone by the early 20's. But addressing two spots instead of Pitts.... it's a tough call.

Flamma · Apr 25, 2021

ChronicCowboy said:
Quality over quantity imo. There are about 10-12 blue chip prospects coming out this year. Why pass one up?

Because we're not going to take a quarterback or WR. Every draft is different. I think picks 18, 44, and 50 is better than just 10 and 44. I just don't think the drop off is that much from what we can get at 10, if any.

Fletch · Apr 25, 2021

America's Cowboy said:
2021 NFL Draft Rumors: Dolphins looking to trade up for second top-ten pick?

By Kevin Nogle

on April 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins have already been busy in the 2021 NFL Draft, trading out of the third position, back to the 12th spot, then back up to the sixth-overall pick. Rumors over the past few days have the Dolphins considering another trade, with the common though that Miami could trade back to add additional picks either this year or in 2022. Now, however, there is some speculation that Miami could be looking to trade up, but not from the sixth spot, but rather from their second first-round pick, the 18th-overall selection.

https://www-thephinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16193223977578&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick

Dolphins currently own the (1st round) 6th, 18th and (2nd round) 50th overall picks (in RED) within the first 2 rounds.

The Cowboys own the (1st round) 10th and (2nd round) 44th overall picks (in GREEN) within the first 2 rounds.

If the Cowboys and Dolphins agreed to make a trade:

Dolphins move up from the 18th pick and get the Cowboys 10th overall pick, the Cowboys would move down 8 spots and get the Dolphins 18th overall pick while also getting the Dolphins 50th overall pick. Those 2 picks (18th & 50th) would equal the trade value (700 points difference) to trade away the 10th overall pick to the Dolphins. That would move the Cowboys down 8 spots in the 1st round, but it would also give the Cowboys another mid-2nd round pick, thus giving them 2 picks in every round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds) while still having a pick in the teens in the 1st round (Cowboys have snatched up great players in the teens spot in the 1st round in the past).

Would you rather stay put and only have 1 pick to use in each first 2 rounds, or would you make the trade down while still getting a 1st round pick in the teens while grabbing an extra mid-2nd round pick, thus securing 2 picks in each round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds)?

Lots of holes to fill on this team, especially Defense.

What say you? Should the Cowboys trade down a few picks in the 1st round while gaining an extra mid-2nd round pick or stay pat?

I’d go for it. Makes a ton of sense. Maybe Parsons falls, You could probably get Barmore for sure.

DCBoysfan · Apr 25, 2021

Nah...playa I’ll pass.

Whirlwin · Apr 25, 2021

gjkoeppen said:
Whirlwin how bout discussing things that aren't just rumors or speculation, things that have actually happened or actually been quoted by people actually involved with doing whatever saying that it's actually really going to happen. .I know you're smart enough to know that 98% of what sportswriters say in the off season is just unproven rumors or speculation just to get clicks to help out their wallets.
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I agree maybe I misunderstood

CowboyRoy · Apr 25, 2021

nathanlt said:
I've seen too many mocks where Barmore and Newsome are both gone by the early 20's. But addressing two spots instead of Pitts.... it's a tough call.

Why is it tough? You want another pass catcher, which we dont need over two great players of major need? Easy call for me.

Loso86 · Apr 25, 2021

America's Cowboy said:
2021 NFL Draft Rumors: Dolphins looking to trade up for second top-ten pick?

By Kevin Nogle

on April 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins have already been busy in the 2021 NFL Draft, trading out of the third position, back to the 12th spot, then back up to the sixth-overall pick. Rumors over the past few days have the Dolphins considering another trade, with the common though that Miami could trade back to add additional picks either this year or in 2022. Now, however, there is some speculation that Miami could be looking to trade up, but not from the sixth spot, but rather from their second first-round pick, the 18th-overall selection.

https://www-thephinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16193223977578&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick

Dolphins currently own the (1st round) 6th, 18th and (2nd round) 50th overall picks (in RED) within the first 2 rounds.

The Cowboys own the (1st round) 10th and (2nd round) 44th overall picks (in GREEN) within the first 2 rounds.

If the Cowboys and Dolphins agreed to make a trade:

Dolphins move up from the 18th pick and get the Cowboys 10th overall pick, the Cowboys would move down 8 spots and get the Dolphins 18th overall pick while also getting the Dolphins 50th overall pick. Those 2 picks (18th & 50th) would equal the trade value (700 points difference) to trade away the 10th overall pick to the Dolphins. That would move the Cowboys down 8 spots in the 1st round, but it would also give the Cowboys another mid-2nd round pick, thus giving them 2 picks in every round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds) while still having a pick in the teens in the 1st round (Cowboys have snatched up great players in the teens spot in the 1st round in the past).

Would you rather stay put and only have 1 pick to use in each first 2 rounds, or would you make the trade down while still getting a 1st round pick in the teens while grabbing an extra mid-2nd round pick, thus securing 2 picks in each round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds)?

Lots of holes to fill on this team, especially Defense.

What say you? Should the Cowboys trade down a few picks in the 1st round while gaining an extra mid-2nd round pick or stay pat?

Depends on who's available at 10 and who they think might be at 18. If we get enough from Mia we could move back up as well

jnday · Apr 25, 2021

CowboyoWales said:
OK, you go pick your BPA at 10 and end up with a QB or WR.

If you want to compete in the next couple of seasons then we're going to have to obtain multiple upgrades on defense, we are a lot of players away from getting this defense to be a middling unit.

If you're one player away you go for that one player , but we need players in certain positions where additional picks in rounds 2 /3/4 could well improve the team over what we've got.

If the goal is drafting good players, trade down. If the goal of this draft is to get elite talent, you make the pick at 10. It is never a good ideal to trade out of a position where elite talent is available. This draft is kind of different, since there is a lack of elite talent on the defensive side of the ball. It really boils down to the players that are still available with the 10th pick. I tend to favor trading up to get elite talent instead of trading back and getting less talented players.

jnday · Apr 25, 2021

ESisback said:
8 or more will be gone by #10.

All of the elite players will be gone by the 18th pick. That is a certainty.

Maxmadden · Apr 25, 2021

Canada180 said:
If 10 and 44 is more valuable to them than 18, 36 and 50 , then why would we want 18, 36 and 50

So you are saying don't trade with anyone that values trading up to 10????

I probably wouldn't do it myself, but maybe 18 and 36 or a first next year. Tell me who is there at ten and I might have a better idea.

Canada180 · Apr 25, 2021

Maxmadden said:
So you are saying don't trade with anyone that values trading up to 10????

I probably wouldn't do it myself, but maybe 18 and 36 or a first next year. Tell me who is there at ten and I might have a better idea.

HMMM who is there at 10? Let me get my crystal ball out. It never misses.

Throw in that first and w are in business. Im not sayin dont trade but I was merely answering the thought of 18, 36 and 50

To tell the truth I think we are in a great spot for a trade down and actually would like to.

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