Tanking is one of the most cowardly things a team could do

DakPresgoat said:

Guys guys guys.

If the cowboys just try really hard, everything will work out.


And hey. We are going to have a great season this year because they beat the bengals and eagles down the stretch last year. We have all the momentum now.

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I smell participation trophies being handed out...

USArmyVet said:

Given Dak went down in Week #5 and the defense was pathetic absolutely not as it would improve the franchise for the long-term to tank 1 season after the starting QB went down.

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And yet we were still vieing for a playoff spot.

If you think competing for a playoff spot...or getting one...is meaningless...we have ZERO ground for any conversation. No insult intended.

meanwhile no guarantee a draft pick improves ANYTHING.

DakPresgoat said:

Guys guys guys.

If the cowboys just try really hard, everything will work out.


And hey. We are going to have a great season this year because they beat the bengals and eagles down the stretch last year. We have all the momentum now.

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You mean the same thing we've been doing for decades now? Suddenly this conversation provides you the insight. You special clever boy you!

Like I said...you guys spend most of your time beeching and moaning about wasted high picks...like TE's and RBs. Now you want to LOSE for them? Illogical.

Fuzzee said:

I smell participation trophies being handed out...

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It's all we've had for 30 years. But tanking will SURELY change all that instantly of course. Good cal!!

Aviano90 said:

Cowboys must be in hospice already.

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No but some fans surely are.

Cowboy Lover said:

You mean the same thing we've been doing for decades now? Suddenly this conversation provides you the insight. You special clever boy you!

Like I said...you guys spend most of your time beeching and moaning about wasted high picks...like TE's and RBs. Now you want to LOSE for them? Illogical.

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Man it’s really easy to make an argument against somebody when you generalize and put arguments into their mouth that they never made.

Either way, this whole thread is stupid. It’s flat out stupid. “Cowardly”


Yea. The team getting their crap pushed in by good teams all season long. But then beating teams like the bengals and eagles down the stretch. That’s the real man stuff right there.

Cowboy Lover said:

And yet we were still vieing for a playoff spot.

If you think competing for a playoff spot...or getting one...is meaningless...we have ZERO ground for any conversation. No insult intended.

meanwhile no guarantee a draft pick improves ANYTHING.

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We were not competing for a playoff spot. This team was cooked and won meaningless games. Imagine if we had the third pick and SF traded the farm for that spot?
At the end of the day, you want more assets when building your team. If we had the third or 10th pick that one player is not going to make this a SB team.

Cowboy Lover said:

Well Okay...we will still disagree...People have to go back 30 YEARS...to prove their point? Sorry...not gonna bow to such bs.

As was/has been mentioned many times...those were NOT "meaningless games"...not when a playoff spot is being contended. You have a VERY skewed and very odd definition of "meaningless".

You actually think Jerry would not enjoy another super bowl? Unbelievable you buy your OWN weak Bull crap. You spout "human nature" at me....

Jerry just "wants attention"...and there isn't any greater than a Super Bowl. A huge flaw...you REFUSE to acknowledge because it doesn't serve your narrative. You just ignore it. But that ...is "human nature".

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The reason I got back thirty years is because that is when Jimmy took us through that process.
A rebuild can happen on many levels. Teams do it all the time and it doesnt take more than 3 years. How long do you guys want to go 8-8? Why is this concept so hard to understand?
Jerry cares more about going 3-13 vs going 13-3 and winning a SB. I am sure he would like to win a SB, but he already makes the most money, profit, highest value franchise. He is not motivated like a David Tepper is to win in Carolina. I am not stating some myth , it is human nature. In his mind he has nothing to prove.
We all have biases, and I admit Jerry should be licking Jimmy Johnsons boots every morning. If Jimmy never came here, we would still be sitting on 2 SB wins from the 70's. Don't fool yourself Jerry as you are the easiest to fool.
This is the house that Jimmy built.
If Jerry cared about winning a SB, why hasn't he hired a football guy, why don't we have boardrooms full of analytics folks? Why is this a mom and pop run organization?
There is no salary cap in the front office or scouting department. How come we never hear about all the innovation that the Cowboys are doing?
Why are we always behind the curve? We pay an average QB the highest salary, after the Ravens, Vikings, Rams, Eagles all failed when doing the same thing?
This team copies and does not innovate.
The smart thing to do this year was to eat your losses with paying Dak the franchise tag:
Realized you got a good QB for practically peanuts over 5 years including the big money paid in 2020.
Reset your QB position by drafting a young guy and get a fixed 5 year cost. Look SF is doing that right in front of our eyes. They had to give up a ton of picks we could have just drafted if we didnt try to win meaningless games.
Thing BIG picture. The 6 wins this year didnt change the culture. It has been broken since 1994.
I honestly don't understand why people don't understand. Paying Dak was borderline idiotic. He will never live up to the contract he was paid. You went from having the best QB contract over the past years to having by far the worst.

Cowboy Lover said:

And yet we were still vieing for a playoff spot.

If you think competing for a playoff spot...or getting one...is meaningless...we have ZERO ground for any conversation. No insult intended.

meanwhile no guarantee a draft pick improves ANYTHING.

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Did you or any Dallas fan actually think the Cowboys would do anything if they made the playoffs? The point being that recognizing a season lost with the Dak injury in Week #5 and the fact Dallas had a record of 2-7 after Week #9 would have benefited Dallas in the long run by way of an improved draft position. If you can't see 1 season lost which would improve numerous seasons in the future would have been worth it then I do not know what to say.

USArmyVet said:

Did you or any Dallas fan actually think the Cowboys would do anything if they made the playoffs? The point being that recognizing a season lost with the Dak injury in Week #5 and the fact Dallas had a record of 2-7 after Week #9 would have benefited Dallas in the long run by way of an improved draft position. If you can't see 1 season lost which would improve numerous seasons in the future would have been worth it then I do not know what to say.

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Thank you very much. This is not rocket science. Our ownership has such a myopic point of view because they don't care about winning the SB as the ultimate goal.
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to bounce back up. Do you all remember how Parcells got hired?
Jerry was embarrassed by losing to the Texans in their inaugural game. That led to Jerry getting rid of Campo and hiring Bill. Jerry realized that he never wants to be irrelevant and that in turn has put this franchise in a position where we will always be just ok. Win a division every 5 to 6 years, the fan base will see a playoff game. They will never see a SB, but they will also never go 3-13. I just gave you Jerry's mission statement.

Whirlwin said:

You could take the top five people in this draft. That doesn’t mean you’re going to win anything. You still have to have a team of coaching staff an owner. Tanking never get you anywhere. You can’t win the Discussion

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Miami is smiling and elbowing eachother

Cowboy Lover said:

But thirty years ago was a different league. And I never denied it took place. Jimmy didn't "tank"... what did you expect him to do? Draft all of his own players in one year?

Again I tell you if you have to go back thirty fuffing years ago to prove your point....stop being so insulting.

"Was you even alive when Jimmy tanked that year".....do you even speak English?

You lost as soon as you said I denied it took place. Never said any such thing but there you are arguing it. Like an idiot.

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I explained why an example from 30 years ago was used, but apparently your comprehension skills are below average. You are acting like a kid, so of course I questioned if you was even alive when Jimmy was coaching. You don’t get big boy responses from acting immature with your faux outrage about using an example from 30 years ago that happened in Dallas.

waving monkey said:

Miami is smiling and elbowing eachother

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So what, my cowboy brother. This is the Cowboys not Miami. I don’t care what another team does

Cowboy Lover said:

And yet we were still vieing for a playoff spot.

If you think competing for a playoff spot...or getting one...is meaningless...we have ZERO ground for any conversation. No insult intended.

meanwhile no guarantee a draft pick improves ANYTHING.

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If you really think there was a snowball’s chance in hell that Dallas was seriously contending for a playoff spot, then you are delusional. If by some chance they did the playoffs, it would have been because other teams were losing, not because the Cowboys deserved to be there. Thankfully, the Cowboys was not put into that situation where they could embarrass themselves.

Cowboy Lover said:

Okay okay fine. Sure...for the sake of discussion...we'll go with it.

Where did it get them?

(Can't wait for THIS answer!)

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Are you referring to the Sixers when you ask, "Where did it get them?" Ill answer assuming that is a yes.


It has them in the hunt to make the finals. They currently have the best big man in the NBA and they have the 2nd best record in the east. This was the team that was the worst in the NBA.

San Antonio Spurs tanked many years ago when they were one of the best teams in the NBA... then David Robinson got hurt and they tanked all season so they could get Tim Duncan. Robinson came back and was ready to play and they kept him out for the rest of the season. Next year, they landed Duncan, had a healthy Robinson and they went on to be the dominant team in the NBA for the next decade.
Now, no question the NBA and NFL are very different...but it works.

Again, I would only tank if I knew we were a horrible team and we had the worst record in the league, like the jets did, and a generational QB was gonna be sitting there.

Reid1boys said:

Are you referring to the Sixers when you ask, "Where did it get them?" Ill answer assuming that is a yes.


It has them in the hunt to make the finals. They currently have the best big man in the NBA and they have the 2nd best record in the east. This was the team that was the worst in the NBA.

San Antonio Spurs tanked many years ago when they were one of the best teams in the NBA... then David Robinson got hurt and they tanked all season so they could get Tim Duncan. Robinson came back and was ready to play and they kept him out for the rest of the season. Next year, they landed Duncan, had a healthy Robinson and they went on to be the dominant team in the NBA for the next decade.
Now, no question the NBA and NFL are very different...but it works.

Again, I would only tank if I knew we were a horrible team and we had the worst record in the league, like the jets did, and a generational QB was gonna be sitting there.

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So...no NFL examples?

Embid is a 6-7 year vet if memory serves me. I don;t follow NBA anymore since...surely there's more to this than picking up a big man at...#3? So whoever picked at 10 hasn't done anything? I don't know....just think there's more to it than just this one pick.

jnday said:

If you really think there was a snowball’s chance in hell that Dallas was seriously contending for a playoff spot, then you are delusional. If by some chance they did the playoffs, it would have been because other teams were losing, not because the Cowboys deserved to be there. Thankfully, the Cowboys was not put into that situation where they could embarrass themselves.

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It doesn't matter to me if "it's because other teams are losing". It's about competing as best as you can every second...it's what a professional athlete...any athlete...any ENDEAVOR (for example art and music)...does. it it just happens to mean you sucked a little bit less than the next guy...well...okay so be it then.

A playoff game...in fact ANY game...isn't just 3 hours of your personal entertainment. There's a LOT that goes into it. I'm not going list it all yet again. A playoff game elevates that urgency. There's NO GAME...that is "meaningless". You fight for more than just a phantom draft pick.

Reid1boys said:

Are you referring to the Sixers when you ask, "Where did it get them?" Ill answer assuming that is a yes.


It has them in the hunt to make the finals. They currently have the best big man in the NBA and they have the 2nd best record in the east. This was the team that was the worst in the NBA.

San Antonio Spurs tanked many years ago when they were one of the best teams in the NBA... then David Robinson got hurt and they tanked all season so they could get Tim Duncan. Robinson came back and was ready to play and they kept him out for the rest of the season. Next year, they landed Duncan, had a healthy Robinson and they went on to be the dominant team in the NBA for the next decade.
Now, no question the NBA and NFL are very different...but it works.

Again, I would only tank if I knew we were a horrible team and we had the worst record in the league, like the jets did, and a generational QB was gonna be sitting there.

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So how about all the very high draft picks that were busts? Just cherry picking one example? That is vaporous at best.

Cowboy Lover said:

It doesn't matter to me if "it's because other teams are losing". It's about competing as best as you can every second...it's what a professional athlete...any athlete...any ENDEAVOR (for example art and music)...does. it it just happens to mean you sucked a little bit less than the next guy...well...okay so be it then.

A playoff game...in fact ANY game...isn't just 3 hours of your personal entertainment. There's a LOT that goes into it. I'm not going list it all yet again. A playoff game elevates that urgency. There's NO GAME...that is "meaningless". You fight for more than just a phantom draft pick.

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May as well ignore these losers. They'll always be losers and quitters. It's what they do.

What is cowardly about it if done on the context of playing players to see what you have? That’s not tanking, These are all pros who made a roster. If you have no hope and your team is in shambles, play the kids and see how they do. Win/win. Now I do see a case for a 1st year Coach proving his worth but he can still do that coaching up the backups