Mac Jones' tape better than Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, ex-NFL linebacker says

texbumthelife said:

Jones isn't better than Lawrence at anything. He was throwing to possibly the two best WR's in college, behind one of if not the best OL, with the best running back in college carrying the rock. He has a good arm and is talented, but there are people on this forum who could be successful in the situation he was in. I'm not even sure what to say about the people tearing down Fields at this point. I would, however, put Jones in the conversation with Wilson and I like him better than Fields.

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And Lawrence plays for Clemson a powerhouse of it's own and Travis Etienne was the 2nd best RB in college football a top OL. Lets not pretend Jones is the only one who played on great teams

Doomsday101 said:

Lawrence and Fields both played on teams with a ton on talent at Clemson and OSU respectively who will likely be contending teams again this season even without Lawrence and Fields on their teams Matt Jones was not the only one with protection up front and great running back and wide open WR.

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Lawrence's offensive line was in shambles his senior year at Clemson--relatively speaking.
And their WR group was not what it was in years past either.

Btw, I'm not saying Jones won't succeed. And I agree about him looking good.
I just have more questions.
Dude could be great.

Been saying this for awhile now. Jones is as accurate I’ve seen in college football in a long time.

Welp, I hope every swinging "you know what" believes this and somebody does spend a high pick on him. That's one more player pushed down to us.

Doomsday101 said:

And Lawrence plays for Clemson a powerhouse of it's own and Travis Etienne was the 2nd best RB in college football a top OL. Lets not pretend Jones is the only one who played on great teams

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Let's also not pretend Clemson was remotely close to Alabama in talent last season.

Doomsday101 said:

Mobility is an asset but not as critical as the ability to make the quick reads and getting the ball out quickly and accurately.

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Bless you. Those attributes are way bigger in being able to play NFL QB. The job of an NFL QB is to utilize the talent around him. Sure, being able to make some plays with your legs is a nice ability but if you don't have the other skills you really aren't a QB.

texbumthelife said:

Let's also not pretend Clemson was remotely close to Alabama in talent last season.

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No they were ranked 2nd through out the season coming off a national championship but no talent? lol

McKDaddy said:

Bless you. Those attributes are way bigger in being able to play NFL QB. The job of an NFL QB is to utilize the talent around him. Sure, being able to make some plays with your legs is a nice ability but if you don't have the other skills you really aren't a QB.

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As I said I think the biggest asset any QB can have more than mobility, more than big arm strength is what takes place in the 6 inches between the ears. The ability to process what is happening quickly to be able to then attack it with accuracy and timing.

Doomsday said:

True lol, but Peyton, Eli, Brees, Foles, Flacco, Kurt Warner, etc. Not exactly elite athletes with their legs.

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The whole argument is about today’s brand of football. Using anyone pre-2018 wouldn’t even add to the discussion. Quarterbacks are expected to be much more mobile now than ever before, using QB’s who succeeded in previous eras doesn’t really say much.

817Gill said:

The whole argument is about today’s brand of football. Using anyone pre-2018 wouldn’t even add to the discussion. Quarterbacks are expected to be much more mobile now than ever before, using QB’s who succeeded in previous eras doesn’t really say much.

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5 of the last 6 Super Bowls were won by pocket passers, Foles, Brady, and Peyton Manning. Mobility is an added bonus, but the NFL is still about execution and timing as much as anything.

CATCH17 said:

Tom Brady is Tom Brady.

Im not against the traditional pocket passer but they just aren’t coming to the league with any success.

Mobile QBs are the way and much more bust proof.

Mac Jones is sooooo much a better prospect for traditional pro football than Fields but I still take Fields because of the current state of the NFL.

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I agree, they are. But they need to improve. When talking about QB Jones and Wilson, we really don't know how good they'll be in the NFL. They could be great, or they could be Jared Goff or Sam Bradford. Or even worse, Ryan Leaf. Besides Lawrence, I'd probably go with Fields even though he's not yet NFL ready. He's got a better upside. If he can learn to go through progressions in the NFL he'll be a really good quarterback. If not, he'll at least be halfway decent due to mobility. If Jones or Wilson can't handle it, they have nothing to fall back on. If I'm the Jets I draft Fields. But the Jets will always be the Jets and choose the wrong player.

Lance is a project. He may turn out great and I hope he does. I do not root for players to fail unless they play for the Eagles. J/K. But right now Lance is a true first read then take off QB. Similar to Manziel and Tebow. I hope to God he turns out better than them. But that's the stuff you can get away with in college.

Doomsday said:

5 of the last 6 Super Bowls were won by pocket passers, Foles, Brady, and Peyton Manning. Mobility is an added bonus, but the NFL is still about execution and timing as much as anything.

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A) We are talking 2017-2018 forward so not sure how 6 players qualify as evidence. This is a hyper-recent trend that exploded in 2018 with Mahomes and Jackson. Before that draft, how many prospects were being knocked for being pocket passers? Mobility was always a plus, never seen as a necessity. But now, you’ll see mobility and improvisational ability as two of the most desired traits in a prospect.

B) Even using Peyton and Foles is poor, because one was dragged to the super bowl by an all time great defense (he literally was benched for Brock freakin Osweiler multiple times). The other only played 5 games with a wildly hot and talented team. The man wasn’t even a starter on that team and more games were won by Wentz that year, a mobile QB. Those two QB seasons will never be used as an example for anything to anyone, as they were outlier seasons. How many team win solely on the back of their defense? How many win with a backup?

C) Never said being proficient from the pocket wasn’t important, but the emphasis on mobility and improvisation are at an all time high. Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson, and Jackson are all amongst the highest odds to win a SB. Last years championship round in the playoffs for both conferences featured these QB’s:

NFC: Brady/Rodgers

AFC: Mahomes/Allen

3 out of 4 have the improvisational ability we look for in today’s game. Brady is the other, and he’s the ultimate outlier as no one will ever replicate what he does to that extent. If you’re using Brady as an argument for pocket passers you’re basically using Shaq for 300+ pound big men. They will never be a good example of anything because no one will ever play like them.

No QB will ever be as dominant as Brady with his lack of athletic traits. So we should totally eliminate him from discussion when it comes to pocket passers.