Drafted by Cowboys Cowboys select Kentucky CB Kelvin Joseph 44th pick

mmohican29 · Apr 30, 2021

KingintheNorth said:
I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment but Joseph is a far superior athlete than Larrimore was. He's also more proven, battle-tested.

How about Dwayne Goodrich?

Derek Ross?

My point is these were high talent DB's that were a disaster in Dallas and had character concerns as well.

Here we are with Kelvin Joseph.

OldCoach · Apr 30, 2021

We need DAWGs on defense. I’ll take “character” guys all day.

phildadon86 · Apr 30, 2021

Hoofbite said:
Well, based on what I understand it to mean, you named only 2 RKGs. LVE and Smith.

I never liked the term, but if you're going to lump LVE and Smith in with Hardy, Dez, Gregory, and to lesser extents the others; the term RKG literally means nothing.

How can someone name LVE and Smith along with Hardy and Gregory and say they are all "RKG" players? That doesn't even make sense to me.

Garrett signed off on Gregory. And hardy.

KingintheNorth · Apr 30, 2021

mmohican29 said:
How about Dwayne Goodrich?

Derek Ross?

My point is these were high talent DB's that were a disaster in Dallas and had character concerns as well.

Here we are with Kelvin Joseph.

Much better comparisons.

I think Claiborne is a better one. Joseph and Claiborne are very similar, both athletically and emotionally.

lk8701 · Apr 30, 2021

They could have drafted him at 75.

KingintheNorth · Apr 30, 2021

OldCoach said:
We need DAWGs on defense. I’ll take “character” guys all day.

I'm with you, Only issue is you have to have the coaching for those kind of guys.

Dallas players know they can go right over the coach's head and go to Jerry.

Carson · Apr 30, 2021

lk8701 said:
They could have drafted him at 75.

No chance he lasted that long

Miller · Apr 30, 2021

Thanks for the above write up! That’s my issue. I like having some “dawg” in players. In fact I love it. But when the cieling on many picks start to waffle on effort, issues, discipline..you aren’t using your resources right. My guess is that Quinn trying to emulate the Legion of Boom told them you need some real swagger vs swipe swagger

Hoofbite · Apr 30, 2021

phildadon86 said:
Garrett signed off on Gregory. And hardy.

And Gregory and Hardy weren't RKGs. That was my point. Whether or not Garrett signed off on it (I doubt he actually did) doesn't matter.

Like I said, I don't like the term but let's not redefine what a good majority of this board would have told you it meant 10 years ago. If I remember correctly, "choir boy", was a popular synonym.

Proof · Apr 30, 2021

buybuydandavis said:
Great ball skills and straight line speed. Long arms. Good thickness.
But poor agility scores in the shuttle and 3 cone. Gets beat on double moves.

Over the top FS, keeping the game in front of him?
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/scouting-reports/kelvinjoseph

over?

mmohican29 · Apr 30, 2021

KingintheNorth said:
Much better comparisons.

I think Claiborne is a better one. Joseph and Claiborne are very similar, both athletically and emotionally.

Mo was terrible here overall but I did not disagree with that pick, or moving up to grab him.

There was nothing to say he would not be a top tier DB in the NFL.

This is different. He doesn't value football enough to not be hesitant on spending high draft capital on his selection.

I will say I distrust LSU players in the NFL vs Alabama because Saban somehow gets his kids to "get it" much sooner.

I have a terrible vibe with this pick. I think he'll be gone before we know it.

Plankton · Apr 30, 2021

phildadon86 said:
Garrett signed off on Gregory. And hardy.

Let's be real, it's not like Garrett had any real say.

aria · Apr 30, 2021

Hoofbite said:
Well, based on what I understand it to mean, you named only 2 RKGs. LVE and Smith.

I never liked the term, but if you're going to lump LVE and Smith in with Hardy, Dez, Gregory, and to lesser extents the others; the term RKG literally means nothing.

How can someone name LVE and Smith along with Hardy and Gregory and say they are all "RKG" players? That doesn't even make sense to me.

I was lumping in injury and/or character issues as bargain shopping for Jerry.

aria · Apr 30, 2021

phildadon86 said:
Garrett signed off on Gregory. And hardy.

I’m not 100% but about 99.9% Garrett wanted nothing to do with Hardy and that was pushed on him. Further more, after Hardy knocked the clipboard out of the coaches hand, Jerry wouldn’t let Garrett discipline him because that was his new shiny toy.

Hoofbite · Apr 30, 2021

aria said:
I was lumping in injury and/or character issues as bargain shopping for Jerry.

Then I would agree, but I would also say that it wasn't all that clear.

LVE and Smith come immediately to mind, then there’s guys like Hardy, zeke (who hasn’t been worth the pick or salary), Dez was always a headache, Josh Brent, Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, etc. How did those RKG’s work out for us?

phildadon86 · Apr 30, 2021

Plankton said:
Let's be real, it's not like Garrett had any real say.

He picked the t shirt slogans.

Hoofbite · Apr 30, 2021

phildadon86 said:
He picked the t shirt slogans.

I bet his office is filled with cheesy inspirational posters.

Dude running entirely drenched in sweat that says, "Go the extra mile".

texbumthelife · Apr 30, 2021

Not super impressed with his tape and now hearing more about character issues, this looks like a typical second round Jerry Jones reach.

Hoofbite · Apr 30, 2021

Well, I'll just say that I know nothing about this guy or the S some are pissed off Dallas didn't make a move for. Guess he's the top-rated safety in the draft.

I would have probably gone with the move up and pick the safety. It's time for that position to get a little attention.

speedkilz88 · Apr 30, 2021

texbumthelife said:
Not super impressed with his tape and now hearing more about character issues, this looks like a typical second round Jerry Jones reach.

He has 1st round tape

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