Quinn's defense

I wasn't the happiest with tonights use of the 3rd round picks, but ill give them a chance and at least be happy we took defensive linemen from big name schools like Iowa and UCLA. the 3rd round corner has me scratching my head though. If you wanted a large corner then we should have taken Ifeatu Melifonwu. Seems like we took Wright just because hes 6 foot 4 and hes trying to find another Richard Sherman.

Irvin88_4life said:

Just because you didn't do your research doesn't mean the players drafted today are nobodies

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Ok big guy, who do you like that we drafted today?

Can’t wait till training camp

man i give up with oil boys lol

CowboyRoy said:

Ok big guy, who do you like that we drafted today?

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I love Kelvin Joseph and like both DL. Wright was a reach but I understand the pick and will see how he plays, he does have some potential as a 3rd or 4th corner.

At least we won those meaningless preseason games last year so we reached just a little less than we had to.

Irvin88_4life said:

I love Kelvin Joseph and like both DL. Wright was a reach but I understand the pick and will see how he plays, he does have some potential as a 3rd or 4th corner.

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I would rather have Moehrig or Barmore, or McNeil. All sitting there for the taking on minimal trade ups.

Joseph, although talented, was a typical reach for a guy that has issues as they always do in the 2nd round: Lee, Gregory, Hill, Jaylon, ect......ect......

Wright is a complete joke of a pick. Guy could have probably gone in the 6th round or lower or possibly undrafted. They again blew off the safety position. 280 pound DT? No thanks. He is going to have to be all world to be successful at that weight, which I am going to bet he isnt. So is he in a rotation now with Gallimore and Hill? A 1 Tech is really what we needed. Maybe they could soften that blow by taking the Ohio state DT in the 4th today. AGain they appeared to value "position flex" which has rarely worked out well in the past.

CowboyRoy said:

I would rather have Moehrig or Barmore, or McNeil. All sitting there for the taking on minimal trade ups.

Joseph, although talented, was a typical reach for a guy that has issues as they always do in the 2nd round: Lee, Gregory, Hill, Jaylon, ect......ect......

Wright is a complete joke of a pick. Guy could have probably gone in the 6th round or lower or possibly undrafted. They again blew off the safety position. 280 pound DT? No thanks. He is going to have to be all world to be successful at that weight, which I am going to bet he isnt. So is he in a rotation now with Gallimore and Hill? A 1 Tech is really what we needed. Maybe they could soften that blow by taking the Ohio state DT in the 4th today. AGain they appeared to value "position flex" which has rarely worked out well in the past.

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I still like some DT in the draft. Tons of really big guys left if they wanted but 1 tech is more than just being big or fat. Leverage is a factor and so is strength. I don't care how big a guy is can he hold without getting blown up from center and guards, can he take on double teams...... that's a yes from Osa. Sure his body looks more like a 3 tech but watch his film, he can play 1 tech and give you everything you want from it.

Sure I liked guys like Marvin Wilson better and even McNeil at 1 tech and wouldn't hate if they still drafted Wilson, Shelvin or another massive guy. This team shouldn't be committed to any player on defense just because they been with the team. Upgrade

Irvin88_4life said:

I still like some DT in the draft. Tons of really big guys left if they wanted but 1 tech is more than just being big or fat. Leverage is a factor and so is strength. I don't care how big a guy is can he hold without getting blown up from center and guards, can he take on double teams...... that's a yes from Osa. Sure his body looks more like a 3 tech but watch his film, he can play 1 tech and give you everything you want from it.

Sure I liked guys like Marvin Wilson better and even McNeil at 1 tech and wouldn't hate if they still drafted Wilson, Shelvin or another massive guy. This team shouldn't be committed to any player on defense just because they been with the team. Upgrade

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Yep, some guys left, but for how long? Why did they take that corner and not one of these guys? Just seems to me like a careless, casual draft that came back to bite them.

Are you actually happy with the draft so far? You know at some point they are going to start taking offense.

I think we need to get hip to the fact that these guys will never address safety or get a big guy on that D line. I wouldn't be surprised to see a tight end or receiver taken soon. We better hope this team turns out to be the greatest show on turf 2.0 and Quinn manages to turn one of the worst defenses in league history into something mediocre and we just outscore all the other teams.

CowboyRoy said:

Yep, some guys left, but for how long? Why did they take that corner and not one of these guys? Just seems to me like a careless, casual draft that came back to bite them.

Are you actually happy with the draft so far? You know at some point they are going to start taking offense.

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I like the draft. However, I had some other guys higher on my board then the ones they took. I had Slater much higher than Parsons. Joseph was the highest ranked player on my board in the 2nd.

The 3rd round I has guys like Wilson and Washington higher but I like both DL guys, they aren't terrible. The corner was a reach and even if they went offense there like Michael Carter RB I would liked it better. I don't hate Wright just felt many players were better.

I feel like we went in to the 3rd round up 28-3 and then Quinn took over...

CowboysWillRise said:

It was reported as a collaborative effort. The scouts find the best guys that match those traits. How they compare vs guys that don't match those traits is beyond me, but you have a point.

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Many of the more “well known” players were elevated by the perfect storm of variables—a better coach, the perfect system at the perfect time, combinations of hype and luck, etc., etc.

It’s like every other field. How many times have you seen manufactured celebrity? Someone mildly talented reaping the rewards, while someone far better labors in obscurity. I’m not saying that’s necessarily what’s going on here, but I wanna see our new Victor Frankenstein’s plan play out before I condemn.

Parcells4Life said:

Tony Pauline from PFN had him as a 4th rounder.

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after reading this. he might be a diamond in the rough
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nahshon-wright-nfl-draft-player-profile-oregon-state-cornerback/

Irvin88_4life said:

Just because you didn't do your research doesn't mean the players drafted today are nobodies

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exactly most of the draft grades are much better after we drafted them then the predraft grades by the feedback form the analyst then the fans,,

yes the entire 3rd round was headscratcher and seems like reaches but when you really take look at the payer, is it the payers fault pre-draft grades were lower? they arent always accurate we see great players come form owner rounds ie fall through the cracks alot..id give them a chance both the caches choice and the players a chance

the medias feedback ie grades at the draft shows seem to have far more positive feedbacks on these guys..ill it to see how they play before being far too judgemental...

blueblood70 said:

exactly most of the draft grades are much better after we drafted them then the predraft grades by the feedback form the analyst then the fans,,

yes the entire 3rd round was headscratcher and seems like reaches but when you really take look at the payer, is it the payers fault pre-draft grades were lower? they arent always accurate we see great players come form owner rounds ie fall through the cracks alot..id give them a chance both the caches choice and the players a chance

the medias feedback ie grades at the draft shows seem to have far more positive feedbacks on these guys..ill it to see how they play before being far too judgemental...

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That's why a few years later they do a re draft and even the top 10 isn't close to being the same. Got to let these kids get on the field first.

The first two picks are fine. Elite traits guys with elite and very good tape. Questionable life character for one and questionable football character for the other. You can live with the bad life character probably. The bad fb character guy is a need pick as there were only 4-5 scheme based good cover players in this draft that didn’t have a bad back.

The two defensive linemen are traits guys that were drafted early by a round or two. Probably had a shot to move up slightly to get Alim McNeal or Milton Williams though Williams didn’t have the arm length.

My bigger problem was not taking Barron Browning late 3. Clearly a scheme fit and better player at a position that still lacks depth. Unless he turns into a holy terror as a rusher, Jaylon Smith is probably off the team for 22. LVE is a great player that can’t stay healthy. That is a really tough guy to pay.

There had to be better guys at safety too and they just ignored it, not to mention any offensive guys. I personally would have liked to trade up for Holland in rd two and risked trading up for boss man fats in the second.

It seems like the third round was a weird draft of $3mm dollar peak value linemen.

I actually kind of like the corner after watching a little of him. But it is pure development. We haven’t hit on a guy like that in a while.

RamziD said:

Also, Quinn plays a legit 21st century defense, as opposed to Marinelli.

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Starting to question Quinn role as DC. His resume is not as great as people make it out to be.
1. He inherited the DC position and the players in Seattles great Legion of Boom from Gus Bradley.
2. Only a DC for 2 years (but they were the #1 defense in the NFL)
3. HC at Atlanta which had one the worst Defenses in the NFL
- Finished 14th, 27th, 8th, 25 and 23rd in his five full years in points allowed.
- In yards they were 16th, 25th, 9th, 28th and 20th in those five seasons.
4. DC in Dallas, just had one of the strangest NFL drafts in Cowboys history

Lets hope Dallas doesn't turn out to be Atlanta Falcons 2.0

ESisback said:

Many of the more “well known” players were elevated by the perfect storm of variables—a better coach, the perfect system at the perfect time, combinations of hype and luck, etc., etc.

It’s like every other field. How many times have you seen manufactured celebrity? Someone mildly talented reaping the rewards, while someone far better labors in obscurity. I’m not saying that’s necessarily what’s going on here, but I wanna see our new Victor Frankenstein’s plan play out before I condemn.

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Let us not forget last offseason when we were thrilled with almost everything the team did. It completely blew up in our faces. That should be a clue that we have no idea. For years this team has done better when expectations were lower. Consequently I'll save my gripes, for now.

Fuzzee said:

Starting to question Quinn role as DC. His resume is not as great as people make it out to be.
1. He inherited the DC position and the players in Seattles great Legion of Boom from Gus Bradley.
2. Only a DC for 2 years (but they were the #1 defense in the NFL)
3. HC at Atlanta which had one the worst Defenses in the NFL
- Finished 14th, 27th, 8th, 25 and 23rd in his five full years in points allowed.
- In yards they were 16th, 25th, 9th, 28th and 20th in those five seasons.
4. DC in Dallas, just had one of the strangest NFL drafts in Cowboys history

Lets hope Dallas doesn't turn out to be Atlanta Falcons 2.0

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He wasn’t the DC in ATL. It’s different managing a whole team than being in charge of just 1 aspect of it. Many good DCs have failed at being a HC.