Twitter: Kiper draft grades

TheDude · May 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
Good point. His track record for building quality defenses as a coordinator speaks for itself.

Which is a good thing since no one else can speak for it because it never happened.

lol. that left a mark

DuncanIso · May 2, 2021

Rockport said:
The defensive players chosen were all Quinn. He has a vision. He has insight on what is defensively successful. CZ haters will not get it and are crapping on the picks as we speak. But Quinn has been able so far to implant his vision on the defensive team. Excited to see how this plays out.

I like most of the picks.

but they passed on Slater.

and the OL needs help.

the Marshall kid is raw in talent.

we lose another T, likely, and we have Steele/Knight again. Not good.

lukin2006 · May 2, 2021

Jaylon Smith should be cut…I don’t care about the cap. He is one of the worse picks the boys have ever made…he’s just awful…

USArmyVet · May 2, 2021

Honestly would have preferred if Dallas had moved up in the 2nd by giving up their later 4th (#138 used on OT Ball) to grab Safety Trevon Moehring and used 2 of their 3rd's (#84 used on DE Golston and #99 used on CB Wright) to move back into the 2nd to grab CB Joseph (selected by Dallas at #44).

Had they done that Dallas would have the following picks in rounds 1-4:

LB Parsons
S Moehring
CB Joseph
DT Odighizuwa
LB Cox

I think that would have been a much better take away.

JoeyBoy718 · May 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
How many starters? Over their careers, I mean.

Parsons is a starter. Joseph should be. Osa Odighiwhatever could be a starter but not a good one. Same with Bohanna. Cox might. I have no use for those corners on stilts.

I'll go conservative and say 2 with the possibility of 1 more true starter.

Day 1 of the season, I think only Parsons will start. You could possibly say Ohanna will be a starter since he's the only nose tackle we have and we'll be in a 3-4 looking base.

They'll be pulling for Joseph to win a starting job, but that's not a guarantee this season. Maybe later in the season.

Cox could eventually be a starter depending on what they do with LVE and Smith.

I'm not sure if I see Osa becoming a starter since they recently invested in Gallimore and Hill. He'll likely beat out Hill early on, but will rotate with Gallimore and not officially start unless there's an injury.

Ball is the interesting one. He could take over of the starting tackle jobs if we move on from Tyron Smith soon. He could even start this year given Smith's history.

TL;DR Parsons will be the only starter right away, but there could be 6 starters in the next few years.

starfan1 · May 2, 2021

gimmesix said:
You have to wonder about Kiper when he makes a statement like this. We have Martin, Williams and McGovern at guard. We could have improved the position, but there's not really a need. I also heard that we may be moving Brandon Knight inside. I think he has a chance to shine there, but even if he doesn't, we're covered at starter this year and next year. Slater absolutely would have been an upgrade, but if you are always just upgrading positions, you can't fix true needs.

Of course, I think it's fair to argue that Parsons wasn't a true need, either.

I don’t know man! I had been on the LB wagon for awhile we needed help at all 3 levels and I considered it as big of a need as secondary

our LB corps were and are horrible. We in 2018 were talking bout having the best cast of LB in the league and then the wheels fell off

I was stoked when they grabbed Parsons and I don’t think the drop off of Joseph from Surtain is that large . I said on Thursday I did not feel like they could mess up pick 10 because we needed help everywhere.

chicago JK · May 2, 2021

That is surprising. Although Kiper tends to reward teams that make a lot of picks.

Way too early for a grade obviously, but my reaction to their draft is "not good enough". There are several players I am intrigued with. Obviously not every pick will succeed, but I still think we came up short. We had several glaring holes going into the draft. Most remain and there are also area like OL that could be an issue very soon. So Not good enough for me. Time will tell though.

sjmike · May 2, 2021

Every team has their own scouts and draft rankings. Wright was obviously much higher rated by them them by Brugler, Kiper or whomever. In their mind, they didn't reach. Time will tell who's rating on him was the best

starfan1 · May 2, 2021

USArmyVet said:
Honestly would have preferred if Dallas had moved up in the 2nd by giving up their later 4th (#138 used on OT Ball) to grab Safety Trevon Moehring and used 2 of their 3rd's (#84 used on DE Golston and #99 used on CB Wright) to move back into the 2nd to grab CB Joseph (selected by Dallas at #44).

Had they done that Dallas would have the following picks in rounds 1-4:

LB Parsons
S Moehring
CB Joseph
DT Odighizuwa
LB Cox

I think that would have been a much better take away.

2016
Ramsey
Henry
Simmons
Prescott

I mean I have been upset about that draft for awhile as well as 2017

It’s easy to play arm chair qb I think we have gotten better by health and by speed and by coordinator

Trevons back scared them I think. I’d be curious to know if he was there if they would have taken him

CowboyoWales · May 2, 2021

DuncanIso said:
no help for the OL.

the Marshall kid is raw.

We passed on Slater.

We did help the OL. Ball and Farniok. They are development pieces that can plug in....IF....we get injuries.

This draft is a Compete Now draft and sorry Defense needed the priority.

CowboyoWales · May 2, 2021

USArmyVet said:
Honestly would have preferred if Dallas had moved up in the 2nd by giving up their later 4th (#138 used on OT Ball) to grab Safety Trevon Moehring and used 2 of their 3rd's (#84 used on DE Golston and #99 used on CB Wright) to move back into the 2nd to grab CB Joseph (selected by Dallas at #44).

Had they done that Dallas would have the following picks in rounds 1-4:

LB Parsons
S Moehring
CB Joseph
DT Odighizuwa
LB Cox

I think that would have been a much better take away.

Im not sure they see Moehrig as being able to play a FS and his talents more as a slot SS or split formation. It sounds as if we are looking at Cover 3 formations to utilize Wilson/Neal in the pocket.

I think this draft was undertaken with a strategies of: need in certain positions and then which positions can we make biggest improvements over what we've got.

Then again we'll never know what we actually wanted (or planned for) due to the Horn/Surtain situation.

Trajan · May 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
Me too, bro.

Having the architect of those Falcon defenses here rebuilding our own excites me.

That’s very funny honestly.

If one scratches the surface on the Jones Boys decisions even a very little bit, it is so easy to become jaded.

This is why being a Cowboys fan is so difficult, you know it is a floating pile of crap, but you just hope it somehow turns into a super bowl.

Zekeats · May 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
For the rest of the league...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/...s-sleepers-favorite-2021-classes-all-32-teams

Dallas Cowboys: B

Top needs: CB, DL, OL, TE

1/12 Micah Parsons ILB Penn State
2/44 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
3/75 Osa Odighizuwa DT UCLA
3/84 Chauncey Golston DE Iowa
3/99 Nahshon Wright CB Oregon State
4/115 Jabril Cox ILB LSU
4/138 Josh Ball OT Marshall
5/179 Simi Fehoko WR Stanford
6/192 Quinton Bohanna DT Kentucky
6/227 Israel Mukuamu CB South Carolina
7/238 Matt Farniok G Nebraska

The Dallas defense was awful last season, even before Dak Prescott was lost for the year in Week 5. This couldn't be another CeeDee Lamb situation, where they went with an offensive playmaker even with massive holes on the other side of the ball. They had to get the best defender on the board with their pick, ideally a cornerback. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, though, the top two corners went in the two picks before them at No. 10, so give them credit for trading back two spots, adding an extra third-rounder and still getting the guy they say they wanted all along.

The questions now are ... where does Micah Parsons (12) fit, and what does it mean for 2018 first-round pick Leighton Vander Esch and 2016 second-rounder Jaylon Smith? I didn't peg off-ball linebacker as a need for Dallas, but the organization didn't draft Parsons to sit on the bench. So maybe it will move on from Vander Esch and plant Parsons at middle linebacker. He'll improve a porous run defense; the Cowboys allowed a woeful 1,758 rushing yards before first contact last season, by far the most in the league. With Rashawn Slater still available, I thought he would have filled a need at guard. (They added to the off-ball linebacker group on Day 3 with Jabril Cox (115), who has some coverage traits.)

The Cowboys continued their attempt to improve the defense on Day 2 and ended up using all five of their first picks on defenders. Cornerback Kelvin Joseph (44) has lock-down traits, and the team will hope that he can make the same sort of impact that second-rounder Trevon Diggs did a year ago. Defensive linemen Osa Odighizuwa (75) and Chauncey Golston (84) were lower on my board, but they'll help against the run.

I had a late-Day 3 grade on Nahshon Wright (99), but he's a big 6-foot-3 corner who fits the mold of what new coordinator Dan Quinn likes outside. He's quite confident in his skills, but I didn't see an NFL starter on tape. Israel Mukuamu (227) is another rangy corner, as Dallas showed its commitment to finding guys for Quinn. Simi Fehoko (179) has some speed for a 6-foot-4 wideout, though this team's receiver room is crowded.

In total, the Cowboys added eight defenders in this class, though they reached for a couple of them. If Quinn's corner picks work out, though, they could have a couple of steals.

-

Giants: B+
Eagles: B+
Commanders: B

Grades are always pointless. Never seen and barely even see Ds. It's all a bunch of BS.

DuncanIso · May 2, 2021

CowboyoWales said:
We did help the OL. Ball and Farniok. They are development pieces that can plug in....IF....we get injuries.

This draft is a Compete Now draft and sorry Defense needed the priority.

I like most of the picks. The last two in the 3rd are worthy of debate.

we had huge problems last year with the defense...and the OL.

ignoring the OL, and passing on Slater, doesn’t seem wise.

none of our backups are 1’s. Slater is a 1.

ThreeandOut · May 2, 2021

Surprised he gave us that high of a grade.

Rockport · May 2, 2021

DuncanIso said:
I like most of the picks.

but they passed on Slater.

and the OL needs help.

the Marshall kid is raw in talent.

we lose another T, likely, and we have Steele/Knight again. Not good.

I guess you missed the Ty Nsekhe signing.

Rockport · May 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
For the rest of the league...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/...s-sleepers-favorite-2021-classes-all-32-teams

Dallas Cowboys: B

Top needs: CB, DL, OL, TE

1/12 Micah Parsons ILB Penn State
2/44 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
3/75 Osa Odighizuwa DT UCLA
3/84 Chauncey Golston DE Iowa
3/99 Nahshon Wright CB Oregon State
4/115 Jabril Cox ILB LSU
4/138 Josh Ball OT Marshall
5/179 Simi Fehoko WR Stanford
6/192 Quinton Bohanna DT Kentucky
6/227 Israel Mukuamu CB South Carolina
7/238 Matt Farniok G Nebraska

The Dallas defense was awful last season, even before Dak Prescott was lost for the year in Week 5. This couldn't be another CeeDee Lamb situation, where they went with an offensive playmaker even with massive holes on the other side of the ball. They had to get the best defender on the board with their pick, ideally a cornerback. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, though, the top two corners went in the two picks before them at No. 10, so give them credit for trading back two spots, adding an extra third-rounder and still getting the guy they say they wanted all along.

The questions now are ... where does Micah Parsons (12) fit, and what does it mean for 2018 first-round pick Leighton Vander Esch and 2016 second-rounder Jaylon Smith? I didn't peg off-ball linebacker as a need for Dallas, but the organization didn't draft Parsons to sit on the bench. So maybe it will move on from Vander Esch and plant Parsons at middle linebacker. He'll improve a porous run defense; the Cowboys allowed a woeful 1,758 rushing yards before first contact last season, by far the most in the league. With Rashawn Slater still available, I thought he would have filled a need at guard. (They added to the off-ball linebacker group on Day 3 with Jabril Cox (115), who has some coverage traits.)

The Cowboys continued their attempt to improve the defense on Day 2 and ended up using all five of their first picks on defenders. Cornerback Kelvin Joseph (44) has lock-down traits, and the team will hope that he can make the same sort of impact that second-rounder Trevon Diggs did a year ago. Defensive linemen Osa Odighizuwa (75) and Chauncey Golston (84) were lower on my board, but they'll help against the run.

I had a late-Day 3 grade on Nahshon Wright (99), but he's a big 6-foot-3 corner who fits the mold of what new coordinator Dan Quinn likes outside. He's quite confident in his skills, but I didn't see an NFL starter on tape. Israel Mukuamu (227) is another rangy corner, as Dallas showed its commitment to finding guys for Quinn. Simi Fehoko (179) has some speed for a 6-foot-4 wideout, though this team's receiver room is crowded.

In total, the Cowboys added eight defenders in this class, though they reached for a couple of them. If Quinn's corner picks work out, though, they could have a couple of steals.

-

Giants: B+
Eagles: B+
Commanders: B

Way too early to be giving out grades. But that’s what these yahoos do and yahoos will believe it. Good or bad.

CouchCoach · May 2, 2021

Hardline said:
How does Kiper give grades?
Not a single one of them has played a single snap yet,

He didn't start that, he has to do that because so many others do it. His game has always been about the teams meeting their needs and his reaches are all based on his rankings. He also is pretty lenient with his grading on the players and teams.

He had to start on his grades right after the show concluded and promote it because there are already grades all over which is truly ludicrous.

I don't actually think in terms of a grade, just great, good, mediocre, bad or 2009. And I don't even have a feel for this one yet.

I knew something of Joseph when he was recruited to LSU and talent wise, he was considered as good as there was in that recruiting class. He could be special. Parsons is the most interesting because I want to see how Quinn plans on using him.

Might we see a rotational move with the LB's like the DL? Cox is the best pass coverage LB of the bunch. Another interesting pick.

CowboyRoy · May 2, 2021

big dog cowboy said:
Getting a B grade with all the pics the Cowboys had means they added a lot of talent. Will push the talent to put up or move out. Definitely got a couple of steals.

Cmon man.........his write up was depressing. EVERY guy after Joseph he said he had going way lower. ONLY thing he really liked was that we focused on defense.

TexasBoys2288 · May 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
For the rest of the league...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/...s-sleepers-favorite-2021-classes-all-32-teams

Dallas Cowboys: B

Top needs: CB, DL, OL, TE

1/12 Micah Parsons ILB Penn State
2/44 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
3/75 Osa Odighizuwa DT UCLA
3/84 Chauncey Golston DE Iowa
3/99 Nahshon Wright CB Oregon State
4/115 Jabril Cox ILB LSU
4/138 Josh Ball OT Marshall
5/179 Simi Fehoko WR Stanford
6/192 Quinton Bohanna DT Kentucky
6/227 Israel Mukuamu CB South Carolina
7/238 Matt Farniok G Nebraska
............
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Giants: B+
Eagles: B+
Commanders: B

Kiper is just another talking head, more wrong than right.

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