Don’t judge your opinion based off media scouts

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we're not. we're making an assessment based on 25 years of mediocrity and pattern observation. We've had a problem with selecting undersized DTs and we DO IT AGAIN. We've had problems with availability of our 2nd rounders on defense due to character concerns or injury and WE DO IT AGAIN. It's like we're literally not learning from the past.

Then we stuff our cupboard full of guys in the 3rd round that have no real name in college. Maybe Quinn is a miracle worker or these guys could go the same direction as a lot of our defensive 3rd or 4th round picks which is perennial backup if that.
And I am more than willing to bow to Quinn if these guys are studs. However, history says we bombed.
 

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The forum is suffering from mock draft hangover. We’ve all gotten drunk on the spiked koolaide all the sports media heads have been selling us via mock draft after mock draft.

We all make the assumption that these NFL teams will be drafting using rankings similar to these mock drafts. When they don’t, we automatically assume the team is wrong and the media is right.

There’s a reason these guys are on TV and not with an NFL team.
 

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It's a good point...

I don't know much about Osi and Gholston so think they might've been slight reaches but appear to be great scheme fits after looking into them more. Hope the scouts are right and I'm wrong.
 

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Don’t base your opinion of if a pick was good or bad based on media scouts. When the scouts that are saying a pick was bad because they’ve never heard of him shows they’re not a reliable source. None of the players that have been drafted are hard to find. All have been power 5 starters so far. So they’ve been on tapes of at least watching for other prospects and it’s not like they have no talent at all.

also remember the teams have so much more information than the media does especially when it comes to injury/work ethic, etc.

To me it doesn’t sound like they’ve got more than 2 starters next year, but we don’t know until at least the preseason games start.

So I don’t think anyone should jump for joy but realistically I don’t think aside from getting a FS, there’s many other picks that would have had a day 1 impact. If they get a 1T today I’d be thrilled.

If they just get more OTs, then at least that kicks Steele/Knight/etc off the team.

Also remember only the next two picks in the 4th round should even be hoped for to contribute. Anyone 5th round or later is lucky to even make the team.

If we had a history of successful team building, you would have a point. Unfortunately, the media scouts are correct more often than the Jones boys and their puppets.
 

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The forum is suffering from mock draft hangover. We’ve all gotten drunk on the spiked koolaide all the sports media heads have been selling us via mock draft after mock draft.

We all make the assumption that these NFL teams will be drafting using rankings similar to these mock drafts. When they don’t, we automatically assume the team is wrong and the media is right.

There’s a reason these guys are on TV and not with an NFL team.

Its not rocket science. When media scouts, former GMs, and former NFL players are all saying we made a mistake, we probably made a mistake. Nobody is grading our draft favorable outside of the star
 

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So we’re not supposed to listen to the “experts” this year but only because most didn’t give us good grades. If sure if it was the other way around, some of you would be singing a different tune.

BTW, if we’re not listening to the experts I guess I can say Parsons sucks and is over rated so please don’t quote me what any of the experts who gave us an A said, their opinion doesn’t matter.
I never listen to them. I've consistently said as much.
 

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Its not rocket science. When media scouts, former GMs, and former NFL players are all saying we made a mistake, we probably made a mistake. Nobody is grading our draft favorable outside of the star
I think we made a mistake with Both corners. Everything else......no real issue. And I could be wrong about the corners as easily as I can about the others.
 

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So we’re not supposed to listen to the “experts” this year but only because most didn’t give us good grades. If sure if it was the other way around, some of you would be singing a different tune.

BTW, if we’re not listening to the experts I guess I can say Parsons sucks and is over rated so please don’t quote me what any of the experts who gave us an A said, their opinion doesn’t matter.

I take what experts say with a grain of salt. I dont get too excited when they say someone is great... I dont get too upset when they dont. I've seen them wrong about many players enough to know whats what.
 

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Its not rocket science. When media scouts, former GMs, and former NFL players are all saying we made a mistake, we probably made a mistake. Nobody is grading our draft favorable outside of the star
You’re only seeing what you want to see then. Within. 5 seconds I found NFL .com with an A minus second day draft grade. Draft grades are totally worthless this early anyway.
 
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You’re only seeing what you want to see then. Within. 5 seconds I found NFL .com with an A minus second day draft grade. Draft grades are totally worthless this early anyway.

Actually, I think you are the one seeing only what you want to see. NFL.com is a joke. They gave 25 out of 32 teams an A- or higher. Only one team scored less than a B. NFL.com is not known to be very critical of anything NFL. Go figure. CBS, PFF, Bleacher Report, Mel Kiper, and scouts inc. don't like our draft.

Draft grades are not worthless. You just don't understand that they are grading draft value. When you are drafting 5-6th rounders in round 3, the grades bad. When you take a CB and there is a higher rated CB on the board, the grade is bad. This isn't hard. Try to keep up.
 

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Bingo. Premium picks = drafting for backups and depth. You basically are replacing guys like Armstrong with rookies

Stop with the freaking "drafting backups" nonsense. Unless, you've got gigantic holes throughout your roster, you are always drafting backups
 

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Actually, I think you are the one seeing only what you want to see. NFL.com is a joke. They gave 25 out of 32 teams an A- or higher. Only one team scored less than a B. NFL.com is not known to be very critical of anything NFL. Go figure. CBS, PFF, Bleacher Report, Mel Kiper, and scouts inc. don't like our draft.

Draft grades are not worthless. You just don't understand that they are grading draft value. When you are drafting 5-6th rounders in round 3, the grades bad. When you take a CB and there is a higher rated CB on the board, the grade is bad. This isn't hard. Try to keep up.
Again with little effort on my part, I found mostly A and B grades from CBS, B from Kiper, B from PFF. Your claim is everyone outside the Star didnt like our draft, this is simply false.
 

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Like the topic of this forum - was listening to Bill Polian and he said something fascinating about the truest draft board for teams is the board set up right after the college season before combines/pro days. I follow all the media scouts because that’s all there is but it’s amazing how players can change without playing. Think about the players that opted out like Holland. He was originally a consensus top 10 player then gone but Farley didn’t change until back surgery. But the fascinating case of Nixon, I would love to better understand. He goes from someone I never heard of to I believe into Kipers top 15 on his big board. Then the other media scouts did the same thing. Keep in mind the season is other. Then all of a sudden he disappears and is drafted in the 5th round. I don’t know if the cowboys draft is any good, I felt much better last year but I’m going to wait until three years to judge this draft.
 

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Don’t base your opinion of if a pick was good or bad based on media scouts. When the scouts that are saying a pick was bad because they’ve never heard of him shows they’re not a reliable source. None of the players that have been drafted are hard to find. All have been power 5 starters so far. So they’ve been on tapes of at least watching for other prospects and it’s not like they have no talent at all.

also remember the teams have so much more information than the media does especially when it comes to injury/work ethic, etc.

To me it doesn’t sound like they’ve got more than 2 starters next year, but we don’t know until at least the preseason games start.

So I don’t think anyone should jump for joy but realistically I don’t think aside from getting a FS, there’s many other picks that would have had a day 1 impact. If they get a 1T today I’d be thrilled.

If they just get more OTs, then at least that kicks Steele/Knight/etc off the team.

Also remember only the next two picks in the 4th round should even be hoped for to contribute. Anyone 5th round or later is lucky to even make the team.

I don’t base my opinion on what those guys think but your dead wrong that the scouts know more than a lot of these guys. A vast majority of these “media” guys with lists are less media and more scout. When I lived in Houston there was and still is a radio guy Lance Zierlein. He was a radio guy but his Dad was a pro Oline coach and he watched film on the side. Years of film study etc and he’s now on NFL Network doing “scout” stuff. Greg Cosell literally is one of the top people in the business for NFL Films and NFL Network snd produces and compiles film on everyone. Scouting departments come to him. There is a whole industry now of guys in the media who are more in tune than scouts out there.

I’m a little shocked after our failures in Rounds 2-3 in the past and how this team has squandered picks before that so many are ready to get the pitchforks and defend Jerry and Stephen like they are infallible and that they were secretly the smartest guys on Day 2. It’s bizarre. I like a lot of our picks and we will see who sticks but acting like they “know more” so we should trust them isn’t logical. I don’t put the media ahead of them but I know the Jones FO well enough to know they like to reach on occasion and claim they got “their” guys. I hope they’re hits this time snd not just ST.
 
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Some of the cowboys media types I follow on Twitter were brutal, Jude absolutely brutal with the crybaby routine after some of the picks just because they didn’t personally like them.

it was brutal. I had to mute a few of them for a couple days.
 

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And there’s a reason they don’t work in the league anymore. Broaddus was here when they went 5-11 three straight years and were drafting former baseball players to be QBs.

He said on the draft show two weeks ago the team didn’t like Parsons. Clearly he was lied to.

I’ve gotten to the point where if Broaddus doesn’t like a player, I assume they’ll be pretty good.
 

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oh lord. Broaddus has a history of being a complete failure in scouting. he is only ever semi right because he gives 8 different opinions and leans on his "group of 7" whatever they are called if they are even real.

He also clearly changes “his” opinion on the fly to agree with whatever Brugler says.
 

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The problem is you guys think pulling out one success story out of HUNDREDS of mid to late round failures somehow proves the point what the Cowboys did yesterday was perfectly fine and maybe even smart.

It's stupid rationalizing. It just is. The Cowboys had 5 top 100 picks, which are premium picks. They had a chance to command that Top 100 and instead they came away with one likely starter, another with talent but needs serious maturing and three guys who, at best, might be decent depth, at worst, we won't ever hear from them.

It was a peculiar draft, especially the third round, where they appear to have drafted for very specific need, ignoring better players under this misguided belief that what they needed was very specific type players.

Spot on.

What the Cowboys did in the 3rd round is akin to going to a Honda dealership and paying $90,000 for an Accord.

Yeah, you’ll likely get a reliable vehicle but you vastly overpaid for the value you’re getting.

And there is no analogy or explanation for picking Nashon Wright in the 3rd round.
 

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Don’t base your opinion of if a pick was good or bad based on media scouts. When the scouts that are saying a pick was bad because they’ve never heard of him shows they’re not a reliable source. None of the players that have been drafted are hard to find. All have been power 5 starters so far. So they’ve been on tapes of at least watching for other prospects and it’s not like they have no talent at all.

also remember the teams have so much more information than the media does especially when it comes to injury/work ethic, etc.

To me it doesn’t sound like they’ve got more than 2 starters next year, but we don’t know until at least the preseason games start.

So I don’t think anyone should jump for joy but realistically I don’t think aside from getting a FS, there’s many other picks that would have had a day 1 impact. If they get a 1T today I’d be thrilled.

If they just get more OTs, then at least that kicks Steele/Knight/etc off the team.

Also remember only the next two picks in the 4th round should even be hoped for to contribute. Anyone 5th round or later is lucky to even make the team.

Maybe 3 potential starters this year, rest are depth guys. I would expect the media to know more than the fan since they're covering the players and talking to teams. The draft grades are meaningless, but think there's some merit to projected rounds, rankings, and rating.
 

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Spot on.

What the Cowboys did in the 3rd round is akin to going to a Honda dealership and paying $90,000 for an Accord.

Yeah, you’ll likely get a reliable vehicle but you vastly overpaid for the value you’re getting.

And there is no analogy or explanation for picking Nashon Wright in the 3rd round.


Yeah that’s my issue.

I actually think Osa and Gholston may actually become rotational pieces to help on the D line. Lord knows we need more talent there.


But I really wanted the cowboys ohs to just package those picks and move up for a better player. Another top 50 player.

this was a good year to do it.


Like we discussed before the draft. 11 guys ain’t making this roster.


It’s not so much the players themselves. It’s the misuse of resources.
 
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