Twitter: Make no mistake, this was Dan Quinn's draft

kumizi · May 2, 2021

1. Coaches picking defensive players is how the Cowboys ended up with the terrible defense they have now
2. Best case scenario the defense improves and Dan Quinn leaves for another head coaching gig. Then we start all over.

Either way you lose.

SMCowboy · May 2, 2021

Thefeelofcotton said:
You HONESTLY think Quinn didn't consult his scouts? He just told them "Don't worry boys, daddy Dan's got this one." You must not have played a lot of football. Coaches always and I mean ALWAYS ask their scouts/coordinators/QC coaches, etc. what their opinion on a guy is. I was a varsity assistant coach for a HS and the HC would always come to me and ask what D-Line stunts the other team liked to run (I coached O-Line). He would then as every other assistant their thoughts, after reviewing the film himself he came up with a game plan.

Quinn asked his scouts/position coaches "Hey, who do we like for CB/DL/LBN etc" they gave their input and the Cowboys drafted accordingly.

I think the problem is to many on this board HAVE ZERO actual understanding and think Scouts rank players completely with no thought of the scheme that will be used, like the guys who rank for all the services they use.

Howboutdemcowboys31 · May 2, 2021

SMCowboy said:
Sorry, anyone that doesn’t think EVERY NFL team keeps scheme in mind when rating players, is beyond clueless.

To pretend you rate players without being guided by the scheme your going to play is have ZERO actual understanding of reality.

Sorry, comments like this show ZERO actual understanding.

Where do you see me questioning scheme? I said if these were indeed Quinn picks then you need to keep Quinn on even if the D sucks this year otherwise we should let the scouts make the picks they're the one's who are here for the long haul. No idea where you got me saying we didn't pick for scheme, I'm just not happy with that particular guys we got. You used a lot of caps to prove your point but really all you proved is your reading comprehension is poor.

SMCowboy · May 2, 2021

Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
Where do you see my questioning scheme? I said if these were indeed Quinn picks then you need to keep Quinn on even if the D sucks this year otherwise we should let the scouts make the picks they're the one's who are here for the long haul. No idea where you got me saying we didn't pick for scheme I'm just not happy with that particular guys we got

No picks are Dan Quinn’s picks or the scouts picks. The scouts work hand and hand with the coaches to figure out what type of player fits into the scheme the coaches will run.

If a coach likes a certain player that can and certainly does come up when discussing players as it comes time to pick a player. But all drafts for EVERY team is based on the scouts rating players based on scheme and fit.

Howboutdemcowboys31 · May 2, 2021

SMCowboy said:
No picks are Dan Quinn’s picks or the scouts picks. The scouts work hand and hand with the coaches to figure out what type of player fits into the scheme the coaches will run.

If a coach likes a certain player that can and certainly does come up when discussing players as it comes time to pick a player. But all drafts for EVERY team is based on the scouts rating players based on scheme and fit.

We gave Rod too much power in the draft room and we had horrible drafts. I will give Quinn's guys time but that third round was an awfully big head scratcher scheme fit or not

JoeKing · May 2, 2021

Dan Quinn says it was a Dallas Cowboys draft which tells me a Dan Quinn draft would have been 11 out of 11 of draft picks on D.

leeblair · May 2, 2021

Make no mistake- this is Stephen Jones strategy.
He has openly stated that he likes to build the secondary through younger players because the NFL pay scale let's them acquire them cheap and let them go after a few years and get more.

Swagger · May 2, 2021

Let's see how it works out.

Parsons looks like a Cowboy - he has the swagger.

I would have drafted Slater then traded up for the safety in the second round to avoid be gazumped by the Raiders.

But that's just personal opinion. Many people value Parsons as the best defender in the draft so fair enough pick.

SMCowboy · May 2, 2021

Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
We gave Rod too much power in the draft room and we had horrible drafts. I will give Quinn's guys time but that third round was an awfully big head scratcher scheme fit or not

The problem is, the for Nathan Washer. You have two completely divergent views on him. Several services said he was a 4th round talent. Others said 7th. Your assuming your services are right and others who disagree are wrong.

And no sorry, statements like we let Rod M have to much control show ZERO understanding of how teams work and draft that is my WHOLE point. Your judging thinks based on some national service. That pretends it can rate players irregardless of the scheme a team uses. That assumption is ridiculous and completely out of step with reality....

Howboutdemcowboys31 · May 2, 2021

SMCowboy said:
The problem is, the for Nathan Washer. You have two completely divergent views on him. Several services said he was a 4th round talent. Others said 7th. Your assuming your services are right and others who disagree are wrong.

And no sorry, statements like we let Rod M have to much control show ZERO understanding of how teams work and draft that is my WHOLE point. Your judging thinks based on some national service. That pretends it can rate players irregardless of the scheme a team uses. That assumption is ridiculous and completely out of step with reality....

Dude have you been awake the last 5 years? Rod used to say he likes orphans. He never placed emphasis on talent. Our defense sucked under Rod just not as badly as it sucked under Nolan. Rod's "scheme fits" were try hard guys with no talent. I'm not using some national service that makes blanket statements I listen to 105, DC, and a few youtubers I like that are well respected in the Cowboys community.

If this board made a poll asking if Rod had too much control in the draft room you would be in the 2% (if that) of the board who said no. Talking about someone out of touch with reality sheesh

ESisback · May 2, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
So you made the leap that Quinn having big input to you knowing which players he specifically wanted and others he didnt?

As I said in my other post, I’m speculating, based on what I’ve seen and heard, just like you. But since you seem to think you’ve got it all figured out, even more so than driven and successful people immersed in it for a living, I’ll kindly decline further debate on this subject. Have a nice night!

SMCowboy · May 2, 2021

Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
Dude have you been awake the last 5 years? Rod used to say he likes orphans. He never placed emphasis on talent. Our defense sucked under Rod just not as badly as it sucked under Nolan. Rod's "scheme fits" were try hard guys with no talent. I'm not using some national service that makes blanket statements I listen to 105, DC, and a few youtubers I like that are well respected in the Cowboys community.

If this board made a poll asking if Rod had too much control in the draft room you would be in the 2% (if that) of the board who said no. Talking about someone out of touch with reality sheesh

That is exactly my point Rod M had a type of guy he liked. He liked high motor guys. The problem is your assuming that the scouts put a board together irregardless of scheme or input from coaches. Scouts and coaches work hand and hand. I am not saying that Rod M didn’t have a big say in the type of guys we drafted of course he did. EVERY coach on EVERY team has a huge say in the type of players that get drafted.

Rod M had the IDENTICAL say that EVERY other coordinator and HC have in the type of players that or drafted for their team, to pretend otherwise proves my point you have ZERO grasp on what goes on Beto d the Cowboy’s....

CowboyRoy · May 2, 2021

ESisback said:
As I said in my other post, I’m speculating, based on what I’ve seen and heard, just like you. But since you seem to think you’ve got it all figured out, even more so than driven and successful people immersed in it for a living, I’ll kindly decline further debate on this subject. Have a nice night!

Nothing to figure out. Were talking about highly ranked, highly coveted players. The draft bore that out. Teams not only drafted them high, but some of the guys were traded up for. The fact that you are sitting here implying that Quinn had no interest because he didnt draft them is hollow. Are you offended that I don't like what we did?

If you want to have more input into your thought process, that would be great. I could go on for another 5-10 posts on situational evidence, reports, and insight into why I have my opinions.

Rockport · May 2, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Yep...............they sat around hoping instead of being aggressive. When the guys went RIGHT BEFORE them it just seemed like they took stabs at guys on their list they kinda liked that might fit. It was really really pathetic.

And you could see in the press conference that they all knew it. No one was excited about anything. Those guys were tickled pink last year with the draft. You could see it in all their eyes this year. There was nothing.

Ok Bill.

vlad · May 2, 2021

Hopefully this works out well but what a ridiculous way to run a team. Maybe if Quinn was around the past few years we’d have Watt and Ramsey

At the end of the day the organizational philosophy on defense is as coherent as a Stephen Jones interview, obviously.

plasticman · May 2, 2021

I don't know if anyone else posted this but Kelvin Joseph was the youngest player taken in the draft. He is 20 years old, born in November 2000, about a month younger than the other two 20 year old's, Pitts and Sewell, who were both born in October.

plasticman · May 2, 2021

I think that when it comes to evaluating a player in the draft, we are all missing a key element, one that is supremely important. These players are not only expected to be superior athletes with amazing skill sets, they have to be teachable. They are expected to get better and better as their career progresses.

All players progress differently but one of the keys is their ability to learn as well as the quality of their teacher.

This is what a lot of people miss when it comes to the great coaches in NFL history. They were great teachers. They were also great organizers who excelled in preparing their players for a game.

When evaluating a player, I'm sure they consider the expected rate of their improvement based on these elements. Some of our favorite prospects may have been passed over because it was believed that they didn't have the potential to be much more than what they already were.

_sturt_ · May 2, 2021

Zekeats said:
Yeah but when coaches draft less talented players because they fit their scheme and the talent just isn't there then who gets the blame for that?

I was answering a different question.

Answered yours here...

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/make-no-mistake-this-was-dan-quinns-draft.477568/#post-10950363

_sturt_ · May 2, 2021

GORICO said:
i have to agree with that view...i have heard the players "Love" playing for Quinn so that is most important anyway....i guess i am just still so angry at the headshaking picks they made in 3rd round...they had 3 and through em all

down the toilet...except maybe that one 3-tech...but who am I...you dont see anyone paying me to make picks

Refreshing the sobriety and humility is. And me, too. Most vivid memory for me is my disgust when we drafted Hitchens in the 4th round several years ago. Think that might've been the year I began to turn that corner to realizing I'm at the mercy of what others tell me... and while most of them agree on most of the players in the first couple or three rounds, there is a somewhat natural variance in evaluations as you get down into the thicker part of the talent inventory pyramid.

ESisback · May 2, 2021

Rockport said:
Ok Bill.

He knows everything! Just ask him! If he cared about the Cowboys, he’d apply for the job and save us all!

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