Honestly who's upset with the NT and Safety position

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Havic said:
I think Gallimore showed flashes last year, and Hill also prior to his injury. If these players continue to grow, suddenly the D-line doesnt look so bad.

If we can grab a stud NT and FS in next years draft, the defense will be looking good with young talent (assuming we hit on some of our picks)
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Gallimore yes. Showed some potential. Why do people keep saying this about Hill though. Guys spends more time blown back to the 2nd and 3rd level or spinning around or on the ground than he does where he is supposed to be. His body of work is not that of an NFL player. But since he couldn't even win a FT job in College we shouldn't be surprised buy this. Thanks Rod for convincing everyone to take him. Could he get better? Sure, everyone can, but he has been absolutely horrible so far.
 

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Need is irrelevant when you draft players. We needed Taco. We reached and got a bust.

We needed a DT. We reached for Hill and so far he is a bust. When you draft for need it’s usually a fail.
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Now THAT is BS. Taco was BPA. You keep using him as an example even though he's an example of the opposite of what you're claiming.

Drafting w/o need in mind is pure stupidity.
 
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kskboys said:
Now THAT is BS. Taco was BPA. You keep using him as an example even though he's an example of the opposite of what you're claiming.

Drafting w/o need in mind is pure stupidity.
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Taco was NOT BPA. The team said over and over again they wanted a DE and really a weak side pass rusher to put opposite Tank. They even talked about it after the draft that a bunch of guys they liked were gone and he was the one left standing at that position on their board. The scouts wanted Watt but the coaches and McClay wanted Taco because they thought he fit their system better than Watt. Tank was coming off a bad year and Gregory was a question so they really wanted DE. The team also let it be known after the draft they had a higher grade on King the CB that went to GB than they did Taco. They said King was the only player left on their board with a 1st round grade IIRC. The only two spots they really looked at were DE and CB from what they said and they felt there were more CBs. That is not how you draft and their stupidity cost them as most thought it would.
 
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cowboygo said:
I'm not. We threw numbers at linebacker & CBs. Idk if people expected a complete rebuild of every position on defense.
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I didnt, even with a good head start last year with Gallimore, Diggs and Wilson.
There are some definite pieces added with this draft, its very apparent that Jaylon and LVE are major disappointments, and hard for FO to stomach, but I like the fact that they have excepted their blundering and are moving forward with egg on face.
Drafting Parsons and Cox at least shows me that.
 

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I didnt, even with a good head start last year with Gallimore, Diggs and Wilson.
There are some definite pieces added with this draft, its very apparent that Jaylon and LVE are major disappointments, and hard for FO to stomach, but I like the fact that they have excepted their blundering and are moving forward with egg on face.
Drafting Parsons and Cox at least shows me that.
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Indeed, nothing like admitting to failure, so you can move forward.
 
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FS is a major concern. Kazee coming off the achilles injury and the fact they paid him little to no money doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

I think the DL overall will be a more stout unit which will take some of the focus off of the need for a stout NT.
 
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kskboys said:
Now THAT is BS. Taco was BPA. You keep using him as an example even though he's an example of the opposite of what you're claiming.

Drafting w/o need in mind is pure stupidity.
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Taco was the exact opposite of drafting BPA. Taco was a need pick. They had both King and Cook higher at minimum. Those are just the two that were mentioned. They stated their reasoning for taking Taco over a CB was that they needed a DE and they wouldn't be able fill that later, whereas CB they could.

What lead you to believe Taco was BPA?
 

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Irvin88_4life said:
He can most certainty hold up at the 1 tech. He was a 3 time state champion in wrestling. Leverage and great hands is better than just being big.
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I hope you are correct, but numbers are on my side.
3 Time Wrestling state champ of Oregon, or was it Delaware ? While impressive, that doesn't make him a 1 tech. There are weight divisions for a reason.

I watched Tyrone Crawford try to play the position when light........he played it, just not at a high level. I just think Osi will be closer to Crawford than to Aaron Donald (who really plays the 3T). Osi at the 3T under most circumstances is not double teamed, unless the 1T can't do his job. So Osi might make a good 3T, especially a pass rushing 3T. That doesn't mean he can hold up to a legit 1T though.
 
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Next year we can spend our first 2 picks on free safety and defensive tackle, I'm glad we got defense with every pick rounds 1-3 and am hoping for the same again next year.
 

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Jarntt said:
Taco was NOT BPA. The team said over and over again they wanted a DE and really a weak side pass rusher to put opposite Tank. They even talked about it after the draft that a bunch of guys they liked were gone and he was the one left standing at that position on their board. The scouts wanted Watt but the coaches and McClay wanted Taco because they thought he fit their system better than Watt. Tank was coming off a bad year and Gregory was a question so they really wanted DE. The team also let it be known after the draft they had a higher grade on King the CB that went to GB than they did Taco. They said King was the only player left on their board with a 1st round grade IIRC. The only two spots they really looked at were DE and CB from what they said and they felt there were more CBs. That is not how you draft and their stupidity cost them as most thought it would.
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Yes, he was.

You BAP guys are hilarious. You simply deny anything that doesn't fit your agenda. Taco was rated higher than Watt.

I thought it was a bad pick myself.
 

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Taco was the exact opposite of drafting BPA. Taco was a need pick. They had both King and Cook higher at minimum. Those are just the two that were mentioned. They stated their reasoning for taking Taco over a CB was that they needed a DE and they wouldn't be able fill that later, whereas CB they could.

What lead you to believe Taco was BPA?
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That's how he was rated.

I didn't agree w/ the rating, but he was BPA.

BTW, there actually is no such thing anyway, unless you have a player falling such as Lamb. Most of the time you have a group of 5-20 players at your pick who are rated close to the same. That's why when you're drafting, need and BPA must both be considered. Along w/ a host of other factors.
 
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kskboys said:
That's how he was rated.

I didn't agree w/ the rating, but he was BPA.

BTW, there actually is no such thing anyway, unless you have a player falling such as Lamb. Most of the time you have a group of 5-20 players at your pick who are rated close to the same. That's why when you're drafting, need and BPA must both be considered. Along w/ a host of other factors.
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How do you figure thats how he was rated? They came out and said they had a 1st round grade on Cook and King high, but took Taco because they needed a DE. Taco is the definitive need pick
 
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Pure Nose Tackles are taken on day 3. A pure Nose tackle is what many have been asking for so I see no reason for anyone to be upset with our approach to getting one late in the draft. Now safety I can understand. All we can do is hope they bring in another vet like Hooker to compete instead of trying to rely on converting one of our rookie or vet corners to FS.
 
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