Cowboys Draft: Your picks

I guess they tried the good citizen/:team captain thing for a decade and decided that too avoid an 8 and 9 season they were going with what they determined were more talented players. We will see how that pans out. Either way there will be no consequences for the GM.

Favorite Pick: None. There’s no pick in this draft that had me jumping off the couch.

Sleeper Pick: Quentin Bohanna. A 6’4 357lb nose tackle run stuffer? Sign me up! If he can keep that weight in check, he could be a difference maker. I also really like the corner from South Carolina, Israel Mukuamu.

Scary Pick: Micah Parsons scares me, because it means pushing another draft pick (Jaylon or Leighton) out the door.

Least Favorite: Chauncey Golston. Nothing against the kid but there were so many really good players on the board that I liked better there.

rocyaice said:

People feel because they root for the Cowboys that you have to root for these guys. You don't. You don't have to justify it just because Antonio Brown is in this league.

Everyone deserves a second chance....11 incidents suggest he's had 10 or 11 tries. I guess for him he's lucky none of it was caught on film or his career would be over. I'm not at all concerned with the stuff Parsons and Joseph are accused of. I just can't really get behind domestic issues but I also haven't read much on the situation aside from whats' on the exterior so maybe there's something more there that I'm missing. Out of all the reach's in the draft that's the one pick that left a bad test in my mouth.

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It was 11 alleged incidents in a complaint by his ex-girlfriend. No charges were filed. A complaint by an ex-girlfriend is like a divorce complaint. You can claim anything without repercussions. I have a friend whose ex-wife claimed he raped her and hit her. Of course there were no witnesses. He denies it and frankly I believe him because she was a drug addicted con artist who wanted to punish him for leaving her. I don't mean to diminish what may have happened but it was in 2018. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Creeper said:

It was 11 alleged incidents in a complaint by his ex-girlfriend. No charges were filed. A complaint by an ex-girlfriend is like a divorce complaint. You can claim anything without repercussions. I have a friend whose ex-wife claimed he raped her and hit her. Of course there were no witnesses. He denies it and frankly I believe him because she was a drug addicted con artist who wanted to punish him for leaving her. I don't mean to diminish what may have happened but it was in 2018. Judge not lest ye be judged.

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Yeah sorry not for it. I probably would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he didn't give such a prick answer to when he was asked about these allegations........funny....you're judging her for being a "drug addict" yet he was with the drug addiction along enough to have had 11 alleged incidents of domestic abuse given towards him.....'

It just bothers me when you guys sit here and use that "well I know this one women lied about domestic abuse" argument as if that means everyone else has lied. I'm willing to wait until more information comes out I'd like to think the Cowboys have done their research on this but they are the same team that brought in such model citizens like Tank Johnson, Pac Man Jones and Greg Hardy so there's that.

jterrell said:

Fave Pick:
Kelvin Joseph -- Joseph to me was CB4. He has the 4th most "talent". I think I'd rather gamble on his "character" than Greg Newsome's health. Was a massive need and I think you got a guy who can really do the job here. Has to have his mind right about ball but the fact the team was arguable the most dialed in this off-season bodes well.

Sleeper Pick:
Going to blow minds here but I like the kid at 99. He is a long CB with good straight-line speed and will attack the ball. I think he has a very real chance to succeed as a zone CB which fits what Quinn normally does. Nahshon might have been rated R3 on a lot of boards imho had he had 2 full seasons on P5 play with regular off-seasons. Might have been R4 on most boards had he simply been coaches on some agility drills. Guys like Parsons spent a full year preparing for the Pro Day testing.

Scary Pick:
Micah Parsons. I don't mean this is a bad pick or poor value but it sounds like we are going to make him the face of the defense as this 3-3-5 Rover/Bandit type and that's a lot of pressure. If it fails entire defense may need an overhaul in 12 months again. Could be DWare or he could be miscast totally in this role.

Pick you liked least.
OT ball. Look, I don't need Choir Boys. But mannn that is a bad look when a guy has double digit incidents of domestic disturbance calls. Lots of raw talent but this is 2021 and I wouldn't have done this in round 7.

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Nice read

rocyaice said:

Of course there is. And there will be even more if he does well.

I'm all for guys getting another chance....but factor in 11 incidents and then the first thing out of his mouth as he gets drafted is "The past is the past and everybody's moved on so I don't really have a comment on all that.".....just disgusting....he's not even capable of pretending to even have remorse.

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Exactly.

rocyaice said:

People feel because they root for the Cowboys that you have to root for these guys. You don't. You don't have to justify it just because Antonio Brown is in this league.

Everyone deserves a second chance....11 incidents suggest he's had 10 or 11 tries. I guess for him he's lucky none of it was caught on film or his career would be over. I'm not at all concerned with the stuff Parsons and Joseph are accused of. I just can't really get behind domestic issues but I also haven't read much on the situation aside from whats' on the exterior so maybe there's something more there that I'm missing. Out of all the reach's in the draft that's the one pick that left a bad test in my mouth.

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I know nothing about Ball or his situation, and I haven’t researched it, and probably won’t. A person can be accused of something multiple times and be guilty or innocent.

The multiple accusations indicate that either he did it OR that he was with someone who is bad news and he had very poor judgment in being around that person. At best, he was unhealthily attached to a woman who was willing to throw him under the bus/gain leverage on him.

It’s a risk for the Cowboys, regardless.

Verdict said:

I know nothing about Ball or his situation, and I haven’t researched it, and probably won’t. A person can be accused of something multiple times and be guilty or innocent.

The multiple accusations indicate that either he did it OR that he was with someone who is bad news and he had very poor judgment in being around that person. At best, he was unhealthily attached to a woman who was willing to throw him under the bus/gain leverage on him.

It’s a risk for the Cowboys, regardless.

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It is human nature for people to judge other people that are in anyway different than they see themselves. They want to judge the man, the woman, the circumstances, or the outcome based on the moral values that they were raised.

The truth is they all lack any knowledge of the whole situation to make a judgement (I read it on the internet). Perhaps their was a family history of violence in both of these peoples lives growing up, because usually this is something that is passed down from generation to generation. People who abuse people and people who put up with abuse usually have something in their past that predisposes them to the same thing.

The important thing is to recognize it so they can seek professional help, so that the chain can be broken. Hopefully, this is the case.

I think everyone can agree that violence against women is wrong.

Creeper said:

The Josh Ball case is 3 years old and he has been on good behavior since. The Cowboys are not the only team to pick up players with questionable character. Antonio Brown is still in the league, isn't he? The Micah Parsons case, alleged hazing in college, and the Joseph incident of a rules violation are being blown out of proportion because it's the Cowboys. The Parsons case is a civil suit, which he was named, but is is not the only college student involved. to claim a kid has bad character because he did something stupid in college would indict more than half of all college students.

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Big difference between hazing and sexual assault. He should be in jail....and have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

Favorite Pick: Parsons and Cox --- I suspect that in 2 years with Neal they will be the three starting LB's.
Sleeper Pick: Bohanna -- I just don't know if he is a player or last years Poe yet. -- and also the conversion S from SC -- he might develop.
Scary Pick: Joseph -- talent to be all pro, but head may be out of the league. No way to know yet.
Least Favorite: All the rest -- I am not sure any of the rest even become descent backups. Lightweight DT's, DE's I am not sure are better than Armstrong or Anae, and OL that may not be as good of developmental guys as they have already. I am not even going to talk about the string bean drafted WAY above his level.

Fair or not, I generally lean toward at least somewhat believing the person alleging abuse. But that's really against fair accountability.
You really should be innocent until proven guilty or anyone could accuse anyone of something at any time.

Honest questions here, and they do make a difference:

1) did all 11 of the Ball allegations come from the same women and all at one time...just alleging past abuse all at once? Or where these 11 different occasions and 11 distinctly different registered complaints on different dates....so not lumped all into one?

2) do we know that he did it? Was it proven?

Again, I tend to think where there's smoke there's fire. But if this is really an all-in-one complaint of abuse and not a repeated pattern that was reported, then 6 mos later another, than a month later another, etc....it's very different.

jterrell said:

Fave Pick:
Kelvin Joseph -- Joseph to me was CB4. He has the 4th most "talent". I think I'd rather gamble on his "character" than Greg Newsome's health. Was a massive need and I think you got a guy who can really do the job here. Has to have his mind right about ball but the fact the team was arguable the most dialed in this off-season bodes well.

Sleeper Pick:
Going to blow minds here but I like the kid at 99. He is a long CB with good straight-line speed and will attack the ball. I think he has a very real chance to succeed as a zone CB which fits what Quinn normally does. Nahshon might have been rated R3 on a lot of boards imho had he had 2 full seasons on P5 play with regular off-seasons. Might have been R4 on most boards had he simply been coaches on some agility drills. Guys like Parsons spent a full year preparing for the Pro Day testing.

Scary Pick:
Micah Parsons. I don't mean this is a bad pick or poor value but it sounds like we are going to make him the face of the defense as this 3-3-5 Rover/Bandit type and that's a lot of pressure. If it fails entire defense may need an overhaul in 12 months again. Could be DWare or he could be miscast totally in this role.

Pick you liked least.
OT ball. Look, I don't need Choir Boys. But mannn that is a bad look when a guy has double digit incidents of domestic disturbance calls. Lots of raw talent but this is 2021 and I wouldn't have done this in round 7.

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Great post and discussion:

Best pick:
.CB Kelvin Joseph
yeh even over LB Parson/Cox - but the More i see and read of Joseph's profile and game tape, the more i like him as a prospect- and believe it or not when i say his potential could even be higher and greater than Diggs.

He has the 4.34 recovery speed that Diggs doesn't , he should be able to handle the speed WRs that Diggs struggled with,
and he has similiar ball hawk INT skills that Diggs has.
Plus he not only has game experience vs top WR competiton such as Bama WR Dontae Smith- but he was in Smith's hip pocket downfield and
ended INT'ing the deep ball from Mac Jones to Dontae.

He doesn't have the extended game experience that Surtain, Horn, Stokes and Campbell have, but don't be surprised that he ends up being a better player
than most of them or all of them.

Scary Pick:
OT John Ball,; Several domestic violence cases already - and much is made about his responsive comment - What's to be excited is his size, athleticism ,
ease of movement, physical tools and demeanor tone. He'll need to gain NFL play strength and better hand usage, but he's a natural knee bender and great
foundation to work with. But ... with his trending case- have a Plan B option with him handy

Sleeper Pick:
i had to choose between Israel and WR Simi Fehoko- who i think is gonna be a special teams dynamo, but he may also end up beaten out Cedrick Wilson
as the 4th WR.; but with Israel mukuamu Safety - he got my attention with 3 INTs in a single college game. Was a CB in college, but Cowboys will do a Damontae Kazee mimic with converting a college CB into an NFL level free safety. And he's bigger than Kazee too.

think of it Israel, Kazee, Wilson, Diggs, Wright, Lewis, Cox, etc. ... Cowboys are really trying to assemble as much ball hawk INT skills in the deep secondary patrol as possible,

Pick i did not like: easy CB Lashon Wright, .. Not so much as a pure player, but more so taking a project so very early in the 3rd round.
who is he gonna beat out for playing time vs Anthony Brown, Lewis ? i still vastly believe this is more a coach's call (and reach) than a McClay call.
Are we right back to the Taco pick type operating again ?