Greeny, I want to be paid!

Doomsday101 · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
And who’s fault is that the players have become bigger than the game ?

I think as the money has gotten bigger so has the players ego, now if GB does nothing then it is on them.

jterrell · May 4, 2021

MarcusRock said:
Or maybe Tampa was already good and didn't need to overcome 30 picks and 12 fumbles from the QB position last year like previous.

Tampa had a good defense, drafted well, signed Tom Brady and added Gronk, AB.
At some point you add enough and you win.
Going to be interesting to see if Tampa can run it back.
It's hard to rely on older guys because they get hurt at really high percentages BUT Tampa had been held back by poo QB play and accumulated a lot of talent so have some depth.

Diehardblues · May 4, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
I think as the money has gotten bigger so has the players ego, now if GB does nothing then it is on them.

Possibly. I’ve been around athletes for more than 50 years. I can tell you their egos have always been huge. My uncles was huge with a $10,000 a year contract.

What’s different is the media coverage, the owners importance on the position in relation to salary cap and fanatics, including fantasy fans.

QB’s were always the stars but their importance in all of these sectors has increased dramatically.

We have one fan here who gives almost complete credit to the QB for the teams success. Ridiculous

Starforever · May 4, 2021

Turk said:
How many years did Peyton Manning play?

And he got only 2 rings.

Even Brady who has 7 only won a ring by that percentage once every 3 years.
Drew Brees was very close and he only got ONE.

Brett Favre got ONE

Marino and Kelly got NONE.

Everyone of them are HOF QB's.

So only a moron would say the only difference between teams is minor and the qb IS THE BIGGEST REASON.

Is it teams, or the QB? You are confusing me.

plymkr · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
I’m a huge Brady fan and he no doubt put them over the top but it wouldn’t have happened just anywhere.

Bucs had a good defense. And they had some weapons for Brady. And went out and brought in a couple more. And Arians was a good enough coach to bring it all together.

As always, there’s contributing factors. And none greater than Brady. But he needed some help.

If we would have had Brady last season we would have been 7-9 or 8-8.

Starforever · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Not excuses but explanations . I don’t think he really needs to provide any. His career has been very successful with or without championships .

Successful yes, but great, nada. "You play to win the game"

Diehardblues · May 4, 2021

Starforever said:
Successful yes, but great, nada. "You play to win the game"

But championships isn’t the only description of winning.

Championships is more of a team accomplishment description than personal.

MarcusRock · May 4, 2021

Reid1boys said:
and again, thank you for making my point. Yep, they were good.... just like 25 other NFL teams. But until they get the QB... they suck.

No, they had a QB who sucked and a great defense. A good defense will bail you out every now and then but to ask them to do it over the course of an entire season is ridiculous. But the defense did exactly that with all-world Tom Brady in the NFCCG. Here was his line: 20/36 (56%), 280 Yards, 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 73.8 Rating. If you saw the game, it was won by the TB defense cleaning up and defending Brady's 2nd half picks to preserve the 5-point win. A Tannehill-esque performance would have won both that game and the SB. There's a reason all-world Rodgers, Brees and others only have 1 championship.

Diehardblues · May 4, 2021

plymkr said:
If we would have had Brady last season we would have been 7-9 or 8-8.

Naaa. I think 9 or 10 wins. But with our defense wouldn’t have gone far in playoffs.

Starforever · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
But championships isn’t the only description of winning.

Championships is more of a team accomplishment description than personal.

That is understood, but the object of the game is to win championships. If accolades come along in the process, great. Elite QB's, without a good supporting cast, are going nowhere. An elite team, without a good QB, is going nowhere. Rogers, has shown himself to be great, and he has been surrounded by a good supporting cast. I cannot understand why there haven't been more championship appearances.

SixFiveCowboy · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Yea but adding Gronk , Fournette and Brown is a big influx of weaponry and talent that can’t be shrugged off.

Fair enough!!!! Fair enough it wasn't like they were not loaded on offense as is with Evan, Goodwin, all them TE's. But those are significant pieces no doubt

SixFiveCowboy · May 4, 2021

CATCH17 said:
You can just get rid of the ball quick and use a lot of screens and dump offs to the backs.

Teams overcome oline problems all the time with scheme.

I know this but Championship teams have to run that football and protect the passer, I mean look at KC

Diehardblues · May 4, 2021

Starforever said:
That is understood, but the object of the game is to win championships. If accolades come along in the process, great. Elite QB's, without a good supporting cast, are going nowhere. An elite team, without a good QB, is going nowhere. Rogers, has shown to be great, and he has been surrounded by a good supporting cast. I cannot understand why there haven't been more championship appearances.

Sometimes you just get beat by a better team or performance. And there’s also upsets.

Both the years they beat us in 2014 and 2016 to make championship game , I’d argue they weren’t necessarily that great of a team. Rodgers especially in 2016 was the difference in upsetting us.

Doomsday101 · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Possibly. I’ve been around athletes for more than 50 years. I can tell you their egos have always been huge. My uncles was huge with a $10,000 a year contract.

What’s different is the media coverage, the owners importance on the position in relation to salary cap and fanatics, including fantasy fans.

QB’s were always the stars but their importance in all of these sectors has increased dramatically.

We have one fan here who gives almost complete credit to the QB for the teams success. Ridiculous

all true but there was a time HC did not care who you were it was going to be his way or your out. Pretty much a dictatorship. No player was going to Landry or a Lombardi and telling them how things will be done.

Starforever · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Sometimes you just get beat by a better team or performance. And there’s also upsets.

Both the years they beat us in 2014 and 2016 to make championship game , I’d argue they weren’t necessarily that great of a team. Rodgers especially in 2016 was the difference in upsetting us.

New England, has proven that, having everyone on the same page, having a great QB, and good coaching, wins championships. Yes, they got lucky with the "tuck rule". That was the beginning of the Patriot dominance. I don't believe the Packers, brought into the system.

CATCH17 · May 4, 2021

SixFiveCowboy said:
I know this but Championship teams have to run that football and protect the passer, I mean look at KC

It didn't help that Mahomes was holding onto the ball for as long as possible.

Big_D · May 4, 2021

The best offense in the league was absolutely stifled. Wasn’t just the QB in a shootout. That D was Dam good and the receiving weapons are right up there. Brady’s great but posts like this are ridiculous. That QB like Rodgers has to start somewhere, has to have weapons and a line, has to learn how to read defenses, manage a game etc etc. that list goes on. Brady doesn’t win a Super Bowl in places like Jacksonville or the NYJ or Houston, or Dallas... why? Cause the rest of the team isn’t good enough!

Diehardblues · May 4, 2021

Starforever said:
New England, has proven that, having everyone on the same page, having a great QB, and good coaching, wins championships. Yes, they got lucky with the "tuck rule". That was the beginning of the Patriot dominance. I don't believe the Packers, brought into the system.

No, I wouldn’t compare Packers to Patriots. They don’t really apply to our Packers and Rodgers discussion.

Starforever · May 4, 2021

CATCH17 said:
It didn't help that Mahomes was holding onto the ball for as long as possible.

If dump offs and screens are not executed correctly (Cowboys), your offense and defense will suffer. Offense, due to three and outs; defense, due to being on the field too long. You are correct in your assessment, but KC, did not seem to alter their play-calling.

Starforever · May 4, 2021

Diehardblues said:
No, I wouldn’t compare Packers to Patriots. They don’t really apply to our Packers and Rodgers discussion.

I only compared them, because of the two QB's. One QB, had team buy-in. The other did not seem to have the same commitment. What did Brady have, that Rogers did not?

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