Dak vs Justin Fields

CowboysFaninHouston said:

so first you said Dak is good not great. now you say he is average.... is alziemers and issue now?

they say people who bullshiet too much have short memories given they make up so many things they tend to forget what they made up....

I never compared Dak to those guys...my response wasn't that at all. so read more carefully... you keep trying to make that connection and you fail...

as mentioned before. I like wilson and rodgers over Dak..... I never said I did otherwise.... so why are you trying so hard to make that connection....perhaps that's your only line of argument and you can't argue your point otherwise...

I asked a simple question about those QBs....not compared them to Dak..... and that based on the standards you put forth.... but now you are arguing against yourself, since I used your own logic to ask you a simple question.

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Steve007 said:

He is paid at the top 2 so he better perform like one. He is coming off a major injury. You hope he wont be worse, he won't be better. They say is a great leader and you say is a top 10 quarterback then no excuse they should go to the Superbowl . My opinion is he is fools gold. He is a good not great quarterback and now he is paid like a great quarterback. In 2 years he will be a big hit on the cap even with the cap increase it will be hard on the roster.

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RonnieT24 said:

So every top 10 QB should go to the Super Bowl every year? You do realize that only two teams make it to the Super Bowl right? By definition 8 top 10 QBs will NOT go to the Super Bowl every year. The Cowboys may or may not make it to the Super Bowl this year.. but I can all but guarantee you that if they don't Dak Prescott will not be the primary reason for it or even a big reason. Sure he will have a hand in whatever our fortunes turn out to be.. but you can make bank he won't throw three interceptions in the first half of a game to get us into the playoffs the way some other QBs who have worn the Star have done.. But I aint namin no names. Yes in 2 years he will be a big cap hit.. I'll worry about that in 2 years.. Right now his cap hit is middle of the pack at worst. So the Cowboys need to make the most of these next two years.. you know like they did when he was on his rookie contract.. right? When the cap jumps back up closer to pre-Covid levels the Cowboys should be positioned to go all in.

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Steve007 said:

Dak is 1-2 in the playoffs. I'm not saying it's all his fault, but Dak is average. The problem is the money their paying him. He better play like a top 2 quarterback.

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RonnieT24 said:

Again with the average business. You don't seem to grasp the meaning of that word.. But whatever.. you're stuck in your own mind.. Enjoy.. His cap hit in 2021 will be less than Rodgers, Wentz, Stafford, Cousins, Ryan, Tannehill, Wilson, Brady and Carr.. .. If he outplays any of the guys on that list I will consider it a win. So basically all he has to do is continue to be a top 10 QB and he will outplay his cap ranking. And frankly if he plays like a top 15 QB and the team wins 12 games or more I won't care.. though I know people like you will come in and complain about HOW we won and how Dak didn't throw for 400 yards 3 TDs a game so he's overpaid..

And I will laugh at all of you..

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Steve007 said:

His cap hit will after this year will be, 33 million, 44 million, 47 million. Dak had one year as a top 10 qb that was 2019. Jameis Winston was the top rated quarterback that year. We know how that turned out. Jameis isn't considered the best qb that year. Dak is coming off a bad injury. We don't know how he will play after that injury. Jaylon Smith had a bad injury in college and has never played up to his potential. He is also overpaid.

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RonnieT24 said:

Okay so you're clearly just attempting to troll here.. Winston has never even cracked the top 10 in rankings let alone been number one. He threw 30 INTs in 2019.. that alone will keep you out of the top 10 of any meaningful rankings.. But you keep trotting out these falsehoods to support whatever brain dead narrative you wish to put forth.. Again I say.. enjoy..

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Steve007 said:

Average is not bad. Dak wanted a shorter contract so he could come back to the table and get paid more. In a couple of years. In year 3 his cap hit will be $44 million. Even with the salary cap going up that's going to be a big hit on their cap. Your looking at it like other's who said pay the man. I look at the data that says top paid quarterbacks especially average players getting elite money do not win Superbowls. I'ts not a emotional thing. I didn't like Elliot's or Smiths contract.

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Steve007 said:

Your getting emotional again. Your planing with semantics. He is average. If someone says he is a good qb I wont disagree, but if someone says he is great I will disagree. We will see how he plays this year after that big contract. He is getting paid top 2 money and if he performs like a 15 quarterback....that is bad.

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Steve007 said:

Your so smart. You are emotional about Dak. It's called the salary cap. Look at the history of top paid quartebacks they don't make it to the superbowl.
You should change you name to DakFaninHouston

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Steve007 said:

Average is passing if you get a C in class that is passing right. So then you could say you were a good student not great. Just good enough to pass. Understand?

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

I think you confused yourself with this one.....read your own response again. I am sure you will laugh... you could have just said, I made a mistake and be done with it...instead you spun yourself silly

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

LOL. your emotional obsession is somewhat cute....and now you are going to stick to it....a little stubborn, but at least now we get some consistency in your responses.....you have gone down a path that you can't quit or you will look bad, I bet you will continue even if it makes you look stupid (no offense meant), because now you have to stick to it. ....you have left yourself no choice

and yes, its salary cap...its not your money....can I ask why are you being so emotional about it? its not coming out of your pocket....and we are under the cap..... and I looked at history of QBs who were at one point highest paid and there is plenty of examples of them winning, going to championship game or making it to the superbowl (I used all of those since you have mentioned several of them as your standard of success)

they may not have made it in the year they got the contract, but subsequently.. Eli, Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Roth..... again...you are only looking at the team in the year these guys got their contract and were "ranked" highest....but subsequent years they were not "ranked" as high...

I am trying to figure out why this ranking salary thing is important to you....its not logical line of argument.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

LOL. your emotional obsession is somewhat cute....and now you are going to stick to it....a little stubborn, but at least now we get some consistency in your responses.....you have gone down a path that you can't quit or you will look bad, I bet you will continue even if it makes you look stupid (no offense meant), because now you have to stick to it. ....you have left yourself no choice

and yes, its salary cap...its not your money....can I ask why are you being so emotional about it? its not coming out of your pocket....and we are under the cap..... and I looked at history of QBs who were at one point highest paid and there is plenty of examples of them winning, going to championship game or making it to the superbowl (I used all of those since you have mentioned several of them as your standard of success)

they may not have made it in the year they got the contract, but subsequently.. Eli, Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Roth..... again...you are only looking at the team in the year these guys got their contract and were "ranked" highest....but subsequent years they were not "ranked" as high...

I am trying to figure out why this ranking salary thing is important to you....its not logical line of argument.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

glad to see you back at your stubbornness and sticking to the emotional angle....I will find out why that's so important to you and why you think its a winning angle....a bit strange though.

and its not sematics. its words that matter. saying good and great, vs. average and good have different meanings in the same thread given great >good>average....

and again, in 2 years when he has probably the 10th biggest contract, will you be ok with him playing like the 10th best QB? salary rankings aren't important...well, only important to fans like you

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

I didn't like Zeke contract. never thought we should have drafted him in the first place. #4 Pick on a RB is stupid. paying him second contract even stupider.
I didn't like the Jaylon pick. and then giving him a second contract and making him top 5 paid.
I didn't want to give Martin a new contract, 14M per year for a guard. you need OL but don't need highest paid Guard to win a championship.
Lawrence got over paid and hasn't produced since.

you are entitled to your opinion. so am I. I think Dak is a top 10 QB. without a QB you have to build a defense like Ravens to win anything. that's been done couple of times over the past 55 years of superbowl. I don't think Dak's contract is going to stop us from signing anyone we want, the problem is we don't ahve anyone we really need to resign and good FAs worth their dollars don't hit the market and if they do they are over priced.

and eve with Dak's contract we have 7 other large contracts that are among the top 5 in the NFL, so we have the cap space. cap is always manipulated. its a matter of finding the right people.....

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Steve007 said:

Wilson is a better quarterback than Dak.

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Steve007 said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm Pro-football reference must be trolling everyone because here are the stats. He did have 30 ints ,but look at where he is ranked.

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RonnieT24 said:

Again.. cute attempt to troll.. because I know you can't be that stupid.. Winston led the league in passing yards... Passing yards is ONE metric but it absolutely does NOT determine a QB's ranking. You look at QBR and passer rating for that. Winston's QBR was 55.7 which 16th in the league. His passer rating was 84.3 good for 26th.. A player's ranking is NOT based on any one single stat.. but again.. I know damn well you know this.. so you're welcome to go troll somebody else ..

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Steve007 said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm Pro-football reference must be trolling everyone because here are the stats. He did have 30 ints ,but look at where he is ranked.

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Hadenough said:

Good info! I clicked on completion percentage because so many like to shout about how Dak has a great completion percentage. Dak ranks 13 right next to Case Keenum and thats probably about right!

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