Are the Cowboys just a better defense away from being contenders?

CATCH17

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Everyone exposes you for your lies and BS.

This is what you think I’m lying about? This is really what you want to go with to claim I’ve never said? :facepalm:

If I start pulling up posts of me saying this can we just admit that your memory and comprehension skills are lacking and you shouldn’t be quoting people on a forum?


Nope.. I’ve consistently said Dak isn’t the reason we win or lose games because he isn’t a difference making player and my entire problem with him is the contract for the type of player he is.

Once again.. Your comprehension is the only thing exposed and you just can’t keep up.
 

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You have said point blank that Dak's record was 1-3. Thats blame bozo. You have blamed over and over again the losses on "a stuttering offense" or a "slow starting offense". Thats blame Bozo.

This is your lie: "When did I say it was the offenses fault"
 

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If, you're talking about winning the Super Bowl, the Defense has to be top 10 in points, yards and takeaways.

If any of those categories slip below the top ten then the other two should be in top 5

History shows us that the even the best offensive teams needed their defense to be really good.
 

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You have said point blank that Dak's record was 1-3. Thats blame bozo. You have blamed over and over again the losses on "a stuttering offense" or a "slow starting offense". Thats blame Bozo.

I’m not caught up on Dak for just last season..

I have an entire 4 years to go off of.. I know what he is as a player.

He’s a guy that get carried and doesn’t do the carrying.
 

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I’m not caught up on Dak for just last season..

I have an entire 4 years to go off of.. I know what he is as a player.

He’s a guy that get carried and doesn’t do the carrying.

LOL....Sure bozo, just like Dalton is going to run the offense better than Dak.

Just like Beatherd and Kaaya were better than Mahomes

Just like CB is no longer an important position or in Quinns defense (Joseph 2nd round pick)

Just like Dalton would lead us to the playoffs
 

CowboyRoy

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I’m not caught up on Dak for just last season..

I have an entire 4 years to go off of.. I know what he is as a player.

He’s a guy that get carried and doesn’t do the carrying.

You have been saying that Dak is a mediocre QB. He is consistently ranked in the top 10 if not top 7 QB's, and just got a monster 4 year contract. You lose bozo.
 

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I’m not caught up on Dak for just last season..

I have an entire 4 years to go off of.. I know what he is as a player.

He’s a guy that get carried and doesn’t do the carrying.
All you do here is crap on Dak and anything else positive about the Cowboys. Day in and day out 24x7 you crap on everything Cowboys.
 

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If, you're talking about winning the Super Bowl, the Defense has to be top 10 in points, yards and takeaways.

If any of those categories slip below the top ten then the other two should be in top 5

History shows us that the even the best offensive teams needed their defense to be really good.
Agreed. As good as Brady & the Bucs offense was in January last year, they'd have never won it all, without a solid defense. Their D made plays when it mattered most, & put them in a position to win.

I've got the usual optimism heading into the season, although it is tempered with cynicism, & our record the last 25 yrs. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised, & see em over perform expectations. I won't hold my breath.
 

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I blame 70% of that defense on Nolan. I expect them to be at worst a top 15 D this year. I am way more worried about the oline.
Yes, it is apparent that Nolan could not get players to buy into his system.

He was at a disadvantage being new to the team with no off-season but he even butted heads with Sean Lee.
 

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At this point, nobody knows. Rookies, especially rookies on defense, usually have very little impact. The FA signings are far from being top tier players and it is entirely possible that some of them will not make the final roster. Others are coming back from injuries and they may not return to form. After these last few years of FA signings, I think that Dallas gets less help out of FA than any other team in the league. Stephen is incredibly cheap when it comes to FA signings. The players returning from injury, excluding Dak, are getting to the point where injuries are a yearly thing. Tyron is a good example. Dak’s return may not have the impact expected. Fans seems to forget that Dallas was really bad and was losing games while Dak was starting. Hiring Quinn as the DC is the biggest question on the defense. Atlanta sure hasn’t looked good on defense.
The rookies should have a big impact on the Cowboy defense. Parsons, Joesph, and the defensive linemen have a good shot at being a big impact. Quinn and the defense should be much improved over last year.
 

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If, you're talking about winning the Super Bowl, the Defense has to be top 10 in points, yards and takeaways.

If any of those categories slip below the top ten then the other two should be in top 5

History shows us that the even the best offensive teams needed their defense to be really good.
Rams w/ the greatest show on turf had the 4th ranked D in the NFL the year they won it all.
 

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That’s because some fans are translating paying your QB market value to success of the team.

You don’t have to be Elite to receive a market value contract as a QB. You just need moderate success. And on a team which hasn’t been considered championship contender Dak has had some level of success while putting up some good personal numbers. Does it warrant 40 million. Probably not. But that’s how the NFL QB market works.

And why and how QB’s on his level are paid. He won’t be top 5 paid long. As every year the market increases. By the time his contract ends he probably won’t be in top 10. And why he didn’t want a long term deal.

Most critics which I’d probably agree place him in the 8th -12th ranking in the league. But unfortunately this is how Franchise QB’s are paid. And remember Franchise QB doesn’t necessarily mean Elite QB.
Market value is nothing more than massively overpaying a player for production that is not worth the salary. That is what I see with current market value of QBs and when teams realize that no QB is worth it, they will be much better off. These QBs with big contracts are not worth it considering how the salary caps are negatively effected. Several teams are wising up and dumping the QBs and contracts which is a good thing IMO.
 

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The rookies should have a big impact on the Cowboy defense. Parsons, Joesph, and the defensive linemen have a good shot at being a big impact. Quinn and the defense should be much improved over last year.
Defensive rookies rarely have much of an impact . Usually it takes a couple years, unless the player is super talented. A couple of the rookies at start to show something during the last few games. This was a terrible draft for DL and the DL on the roster are not good. Lawrence has not played up to his contract , but Gregory will finally have a chance to prove himself. Hill and Gallimore just didn’t impress me. Hill was injured and Gallimore was one of the lowest ranked DL in the league. It will take 2-3 more years of investing in the DL to make it a strength of the team.
 

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You have said point blank that Dak's record was 1-3. Thats blame bozo. You have blamed over and over again the losses on "a stuttering offense" or a "slow starting offense". Thats blame Bozo.

This is your lie: "When did I say it was the offenses fault"
So the absence of any offense, with the exception of turnovers, in the first half of games when Dak was playing should be ignored? When opposing teams score three TDs in the first half with no response from the offense, should that be ignored.
 

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So the absence of any offense, with the exception of turnovers, in the first half of games when Dak was playing should be ignored? When opposing teams score three TDs in the first half with no response from the offense, should that be ignored.

I would be more concerned about a defense that gives up 40 points a game.

Especially since your claim about the offense not scoring in the first half never happened. In the 4 games Dak played last year they scored 14,10,14,13 in the first half of those games.

Honestly, just listen to yourself. Your are talking about a defense giving up 21 points in the first half and then looking at what is wrong with the offense?

If you are going to beat troll, at least be an accurate one.
 
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jnday

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I would be more concerned about a defense that gives up 40 points a game.

Especially since your claim about the offense not scoring in the first half never happened. In the 4 games Dak played last year they scored 14,10,14,13 in the first half of those games.

Honestly, just listen to yourself. Your are talking about a defense giving up 21 points in the first half and then looking at what is wrong with the offense?

If you are going to beat troll, at least be an accurate one.
So, the offense has not struggled in the first half of games the last couple of seasons? I have not denied the defense is a problem. I am saying that an offense that does not respond with scoring drives until the game is out of reach does not help matters. Dak was not winning games for Dallas when he was healthy last year. The Atlanta special teams was responsible for more Cowboy wins than Dak last season.
 

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Market value is nothing more than massively overpaying a player for production that is not worth the salary. That is what I see with current market value of QBs and when teams realize that no QB is worth it, they will be much better off. These QBs with big contracts are not worth it considering how the salary caps are negatively effected. Several teams are wising up and dumping the QBs and contracts which is a good thing IMO.
Perhaps you can convince more teams to release their Elite and Franchise QB’s to suit your vision. Until then I’d argue most of them are not following your recipe for success in finding a QB to build their franchise around .
 

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We had a top offense last year with Dak and have secured our franchise QB and multiple weapons with a proven OL if it can stay healthy .

But what must improve is a defense which was statistically one of the worst in our franchise’s history

How much better does our defense need to be for this team to become more of a contender ? Will average be enough assuming our offense is top 5? Your thoughts !!

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